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post Jan 4 2008, 10:56 AM
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Hopkins-Calzaghe in Vegas on April 12th?

"I believe the date the 11th or the 12th of April. I know I'm just looking to make it happen. I don't believe anything is signed yet. I got a letter from Arnold Joseph and Richard Schaeffer saying that we have an oral agreement. I could say oral agreements have stood up for the last five years of my career. They expressed to me that we have a deal and I'm expecting an official confirmation on that no later than Monday. I was hoping to hear something yesterday or today, but I'm expecting things to be wrapped up the middle of next week the latest," stated light heavyweight king Bernard Hopkins in a recent interview.

Hopkins revealed that the fight would likely take place in Las Vegas at the Mandalay Bay or the MGM Grand and he hopes that HBO will be willing to do another 24/7 series for the fight. "I think maybe with a 24/7 if everybody is willing to pitch in, that's HBO, Golden Boy and Frank Warren, if they're willing to pitch in because that ain't free, but I think it would do everybody justice, not only in our bank accounts, but I think the fans will get to see the behind the scenes back and forth that goes on with the game. Again, this ain't a salespitch to convince anybody, I'm just saying that this is one of them kind of fights where I think 24/7 is needed to uplift what's already there. Coming off the heels of the big blockbuster that happened on December 8 one month later, I think it would be great."

Hopkins also revealed that he's been training lightly for the past two or three months, but he's planning on beginning serious training for the fight in about two or three weeks. Along with Brother Nasseem and Freddie Roach, Hopkins is considering reuniting with Mackie Shillstone. "I didn't use him for the Winky Wright for one reason or the other, but for this fight I see that his biggest weapon is punches in bunches and trust me, from what I've experienced with the Tarver fight with Mackie Shilstone, he got me to the point where I was throwing so many punches per round that it was unbelievable."

When asked whether or not Calzaghe would be one of the toughest southpaws he's ever faced, Hopkins emphatically stated, "Oh, No. No. No. Absolutely not. The best southpaw I ever fought in terms of being tricky is John David Jackson." In fact, Hopkins went so far as to say that Calzaghe was at the bottom of the list of southpaws he's faced, behind the likes of Robert Allen, Antonio Tarver and Winky Wright.
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post Jan 4 2008, 11:19 PM
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I still cant believe people think this is such a walk in the park for Calzaghge. First of all, what troubles ole Hopkins is speed/athletic ability/strenght...only reason Taylor was as competitive as he was.

Clazgahe doesn't have big power. The guy throws pitty pat slaps...he throws alot of them though thats for sure. Kessler is a bad dude...but defense wise, he is absolute shit compared to the 43 year old. Kessler backs straight up with no head movement and Calzaghe was able to catch him with straights. Hopkins gives Calzgahe a whole new look. He is not the defensively inept Jeff Lacy who looked like total shit against Peter Manfredo and that other guy Segeri whatever. Manfredo could have beaten Lacy had he stuck to his original gameplan. I like Jeff but he was one of the most overrated fighters in boxing just like Pantera Miranda IS/WAS....just a strong guy who fans got excited about.

Calzaghe has never been in here with anyone half as good as Hopkins. Calzgahe might win by outworking Hopkins but I wouldn't be suprised if he looks the more worn down, beat up, roughed up fighter at the end of the night. I dont expect Calzgahe to hit Hopkins clean with those pitty pat slaps he throwing against Lacy, Manfredo, and Kessler.
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post Jan 5 2008, 07:45 PM
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QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Jan 5 2008, 04:19 AM) [snapback]373468[/snapback]
I still cant believe people think this is such a walk in the park for Calzaghge. First of all, what troubles ole Hopkins is speed/athletic ability/strenght...only reason Taylor was as competitive as he was.

Clazgahe doesn't have big power. The guy throws pitty pat slaps...he throws alot of them though thats for sure. Kessler is a bad dude...but defense wise, he is absolute shit compared to the 43 year old. Kessler backs straight up with no head movement and Calzaghe was able to catch him with straights. Hopkins gives Calzgahe a whole new look. He is not the defensively inept Jeff Lacy who looked like total shit against Peter Manfredo and that other guy Segeri whatever. Manfredo could have beaten Lacy had he stuck to his original gameplan. I like Jeff but he was one of the most overrated fighters in boxing just like Pantera Miranda IS/WAS....just a strong guy who fans got excited about.

Calzaghe has never been in here with anyone half as good as Hopkins. Calzgahe might win by outworking Hopkins but I wouldn't be suprised if he looks the more worn down, beat up, roughed up fighter at the end of the night. I dont expect Calzgahe to hit Hopkins clean with those pitty pat slaps he throwing against Lacy, Manfredo, and Kessler.



George my friend, I think you overlook just how slow Hopkins has looked these past few years.


Lets point out the Jermain Taylor fight. Another fight that pitted Hopkins vs a younger guy who was faster, but also as many are pointing out about Calzaghe, INCREDIBLY FLAWED... Like Calzaghe, Taylor too squares up, throws winging sloppy punches, leaves countless counterpunching opportunites(Wright and Pavlik exploited this), and like Calzaghe makes rookie mistakes. All those things going for B-Hop in those fights, and he didn't get the job done. Sure, I argue he won the 1st fight and lost the 2nd, but he lost those fights because he doesn't have the energy and sharpness anymore that he had years ago to keep up with the younger guys.

The Winky Wright fight. Lets stop here. B-Hop looked TERRIBLE in that fight. Yes he came out with a deserved W, but his legs are GONE... His hand speed is GONE... He relies on his experience and know how nowadays and that alone against Calzaghe is not going to get it done. It didn't get it done against Taylor and if you can't beat Jermain Taylor, its very difficult even at 175 to beat Joe Calzaghe who is a more skilled fighter than Taylor.

Many point to the Tarver fight, but I don't like that comparison at all. Calzaghe is faster and more versatile than Tarver. Tarver is only good at sitting back and waiting for perfect shots, and its the main reason he lost the 1st fight to Roy Jones. Predictably, Tarver engaged Hopkins in a posing contest and came out on the losing end. Calzaghe is not going to do that. He is going to circle, beat Hopkins to the punch constantly from the outside with the jab, and outmanuever him. Hopkins will be the one forced out of his envelope here. B-Hop will be the one faced with the choice to put himself out there more.

Very true that Joe doesn't have the power to really make Hopkins lose any sleep. But the sheer high speed PACE that Joe fights at is going to force Hopkins to throw back more than he's comfortable doing and it will tire his legs even faster. 6 years ago, I think B-Hop decisions Joe clearly. But this is different. Hopkins is no longer the Executioner. And it won't take long for B-Hop to feel the difference when faced with a guy who is the same size as him, a natural at the 168 pound weight class, with the hand speed, footwork, and awkward style to make things a nightmare for B-Hop.

Once again, I will say that I expect Hopkins to walk away without taking much punishment. But he will not do enough to win. Just like he didn't against Taylor. Hopkins prides himself alot on walking away from a fight unmarked, but he's not going to be able to dish out enough punishment over the course of 12 rounds against a younger, faster, and skilled enough fighter. Joe will out speed this guy and earn a comfortable decision. Hopkins will defy the decision and point out his freshness but you can't win if you don't land enough punches.

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- easywork   Hopkins-Calzaghe official? (In Vegas April 12?)   Jan 4 2008, 10:56 AM
- - PR316   Well I guess we'll see. Hopkins is very confid...   Jan 4 2008, 02:37 PM
- - BoxingStill#1   Biggest fight of the 08' year,.....I can't...   Jan 4 2008, 07:54 PM
- - biggeorge89   I still cant believe people think this is such a w...   Jan 4 2008, 11:19 PM
|- - Blayde   QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Jan 5 2008, 05:19 AM)...   Jan 5 2008, 10:30 AM
||- - streetlion1   QUOTE(Blayde @ Jan 5 2008, 09:30 AM) 3734...   Jan 5 2008, 03:18 PM
|- - PR316   QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Jan 5 2008, 04:19 AM)...   Jan 5 2008, 07:45 PM
|- - salvador   QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Jan 5 2008, 12:19 AM)...   Jan 7 2008, 06:14 PM
- - Method   QUOTEI dont expect Calzgahe to hit Hopkins clean w...   Jan 5 2008, 08:29 AM
- - Method   QUOTEIMO Kessler at 168 is better than Winky at 17...   Jan 5 2008, 12:43 PM
- - Blayde   I just dont get why Oscar and Tito are seen as suc...   Jan 5 2008, 12:55 PM
|- - Future_Champ   QUOTE(Blayde @ Jan 5 2008, 12:55 PM) 3734...   Jan 5 2008, 02:51 PM
- - biggeorge89   To be honest, I dont think Kessler is any better t...   Jan 5 2008, 03:10 PM
- - Blayde   Hater, LOL, no I guess you are wrong about that. I...   Jan 5 2008, 03:37 PM
|- - damarvelous1   QUOTE(Blayde @ Jan 5 2008, 03:37 PM) 3735...   Jan 5 2008, 04:13 PM
- - Southeastpaw   As much as I cannot stand Calzaghe, he is a physic...   Jan 5 2008, 04:21 PM
- - Mixnutz   The key to Hopkins success in his later years has ...   Jan 5 2008, 05:36 PM
- - Maxy   Blayde makes good points in his posts. Hopkins is...   Jan 5 2008, 06:07 PM
- - biggeorge89   I don't think Hopkins looked terrible in the W...   Jan 5 2008, 07:53 PM
|- - PR316   QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Jan 6 2008, 12:53 AM)...   Jan 5 2008, 10:40 PM
- - biggeorge89   Fitz, i dont think Tarver is great at all but I...   Jan 5 2008, 09:29 PM
- - Method   Calzghe's jab landing early and often? OK. T...   Jan 6 2008, 06:23 PM
- - PR316   I recall Taylor landing his jab in the 2nd fight a...   Jan 7 2008, 08:43 AM
- - Method   QUOTEThat being said, being offensive is not Hopki...   Jan 7 2008, 09:33 AM
|- - PR316   QUOTE(Method @ Jan 7 2008, 02:33 PM) 3738...   Jan 7 2008, 12:31 PM
|- - buford54   QUOTE(PR316 @ Jan 7 2008, 12:31 PM) 37384...   Jan 7 2008, 01:01 PM
- - Elijah   I think Hopkins is gonna be more motivated for thi...   Jan 7 2008, 12:09 PM
- - Elijah   I'm not so sure about Hopkins not having the p...   Jan 7 2008, 12:39 PM
|- - PR316   QUOTE(Elijah @ Jan 7 2008, 05:39 PM) 3738...   Jan 7 2008, 12:51 PM
- - Elijah   I don't think you can compare Kessler to Hopki...   Jan 7 2008, 12:59 PM
|- - PR316   QUOTE(Elijah @ Jan 7 2008, 05:59 PM) 3738...   Jan 7 2008, 08:44 PM
|- - BrutalBodyShots   QUOTE(PR316 @ Jan 7 2008, 08:44 PM) 37391...   Jan 7 2008, 11:08 PM
- - Method   QUOTEI don't think you can compare Kessler to ...   Jan 7 2008, 01:07 PM
- - PrfPmp   I was bored yesterday so decided to watch Winky-Ho...   Jan 7 2008, 01:41 PM
- - rusty_trombone   I still like Zags to win a decision here, I expect...   Jan 7 2008, 09:23 PM
- - imperial   I also like Calzaghe based on workrate ..But if Ho...   Jan 7 2008, 10:46 PM
- - Imperius3   It's not guaranteed Calzaghe will land more th...   Jan 8 2008, 07:36 AM
- - Method   QUOTEIn terms of SKILL.... Your right. But Kessler...   Jan 8 2008, 08:44 AM
- - PR316   ^^^^ Kessler is a legitimate puncher at 168 having...   Jan 8 2008, 10:49 AM
- - Southeastpaw   Not so sure this Hopkins would even beat Kessler l...   Jan 8 2008, 11:28 PM
- - Fitz   I kind of get the feeling that people are showing ...   Jan 8 2008, 11:37 PM
- - Fitz   QUOTE(Southeastpaw @ Jan 9 2008, 03:28 PM...   Jan 8 2008, 11:38 PM
- - biggeorge89   Kessler beat Hopkins? LOL. Kessler might be more ...   Jan 8 2008, 11:45 PM
- - Method   QUOTEKessler is much more sound than a Taylor and ...   Jan 9 2008, 05:53 AM
- - Fitz   I think it was Calazghe's work rate that cost ...   Jan 9 2008, 06:33 AM
- - biggeorge89   Well, I don't think Glen is great. He is a tou...   Jan 9 2008, 06:38 AM
|- - Blayde   QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Jan 9 2008, 12:38 PM)...   Jan 9 2008, 12:18 PM
- - PR316   I honestly think that if Milkdud ever found the ba...   Jan 9 2008, 10:42 AM
|- - Southeastpaw   QUOTE(PR316 @ Jan 9 2008, 10:42 AM) 37407...   Jan 9 2008, 10:55 AM
- - Fitz   QUOTE(Southeastpaw @ Jan 10 2008, 02:55 A...   Jan 9 2008, 10:59 AM
- - biggeorge89   QUOTE(Southeastpaw @ Jan 9 2008, 03:55 PM...   Jan 9 2008, 05:12 PM
- - PR316   ^^^^ I'm was never too high on Tarver. He los...   Jan 9 2008, 05:28 PM
- - biggeorge89   QUOTEJones. Only the fact that Roy became complace...   Jan 9 2008, 05:34 PM
- - Big Slim   QUOTE(Southeastpaw @ Jan 9 2008, 11:55 AM...   Jan 9 2008, 05:40 PM
- - Method   You're absolutely CORRECT, Big Slim, Tarver NE...   Jan 9 2008, 06:04 PM
- - CyruS   I'll just keep it short and simple, Hopkins W ...   Jan 9 2008, 06:30 PM
- - Fitz   Tarver didn't even want a piece of Danny Green...   Jan 9 2008, 08:54 PM
- - Bill The Butcher   Calzaghe is a southpaw.   Jan 10 2008, 12:32 AM
- - Method   QUOTETarver didn't even want a piece of Danny ...   Jan 10 2008, 06:33 AM
- - Fitz   Yep, and he still wanted no part of a natural 168 ...   Jan 10 2008, 07:11 AM
- - biggeorge89   Again, I'm not the biggest Tarver fan..in fact...   Jan 10 2008, 08:01 AM
|- - Blayde   And Tarver struggled against Muriqi, LOL. I can u...   Jan 10 2008, 08:50 AM
- - Method   Oh, Im not talking about the Tarver that fought Me...   Jan 10 2008, 01:13 PM
- - Nobudius   This thread should be retitled: Hopkins-Calzaghe i...   Jan 10 2008, 03:15 PM
- - Method   I dind't say anything about deep waters (not s...   Jan 10 2008, 03:22 PM
- - Nobudius   The "deep waters" comment is actually in...   Jan 10 2008, 04:06 PM
- - Method   Absolutely. Before the first bout, he likened it ...   Jan 10 2008, 04:28 PM
- - Fitz   Fightnews: QUOTEWarren: Calzaghe-Hopkins done...   Jan 13 2008, 05:38 AM
- - Method   These are the same stories that have been saying f...   Jan 13 2008, 01:18 PM
- - Byrd Man   Just saw this on the front page of Boxingtalk. I ...   Jan 20 2008, 05:22 PM
- - stateofthegame   The funny thing is that Dan Rafeal announced on Fr...   Jan 20 2008, 05:43 PM
- - xxxxxx   I'm hoping X beats Joe as bad as Mayweather be...   Jan 21 2008, 01:38 PM
- - buford54   I was worried about X's stamina too until I sa...   Jan 21 2008, 02:17 PM
|- - E.C.LEGEND   QUOTE(buford54 @ Jan 21 2008, 03:17 PM) 3...   Jan 22 2008, 03:34 AM
|- - rusty_trombone   QUOTE(E.C.LEGEND @ Jan 22 2008, 03:34 AM)...   Jan 22 2008, 09:20 AM
- - biggeorge89   I just watched Calzaghe-Kessler, and I dont know, ...   Jan 22 2008, 05:56 AM
|- - The Original MrFactor   QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Jan 22 2008, 05:56 AM...   Jan 22 2008, 06:29 AM
- - streetlion1   Yep its on now!!!! Another over-ra...   Jan 22 2008, 11:12 AM
|- - rusty_trombone   QUOTE(streetlion1 @ Jan 22 2008, 11:12 AM...   Jan 22 2008, 05:43 PM
||- - streetlion1   QUOTE(rusty_trombone @ Jan 22 2008, 04:43...   Jan 23 2008, 01:53 AM
|- - PR316   QUOTE(streetlion1 @ Jan 22 2008, 04:12 PM...   Jan 23 2008, 10:19 AM
|- - streetlion1   QUOTE(PR316 @ Jan 23 2008, 09:19 AM) 3761...   Jan 23 2008, 12:19 PM
- - PR316   Yeah but Hopkins will have to pull the trigger con...   Jan 23 2008, 01:19 PM
|- - streetlion1   QUOTE(PR316 @ Jan 23 2008, 12:19 PM) 3761...   Jan 23 2008, 01:28 PM
- - PR316   Its possible. I've counted Hopkins out before(...   Jan 23 2008, 02:30 PM


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