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> It's so tough to see the current state of certain fighters.
Romulus9
post Apr 1 2008, 12:13 AM
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I recorded ESPN Classic's RINGSIDE special on the 25 greatest knockouts. I'd seen bits and pieces of it before but made sure to record it this time.

You know, I can remember being in 7th or 8th grade, doing my research paper on pugilistic dementia. Even then it was something I was concerned about.

Then I see this special.

For those who haven't seen it, and I'm sure that applies to very few of you, make sure that you do. We're all aware of the condition Terry Norris is in. I'm so glad no one would give him a license when he tried to get one a while back. Jerry Quarry comes to mind, of course. There are other well-known cases. The two that really stood out here are Michael Moorer and Thomas Hearns. It's incredible how slurred Michael sounds right now. Tommy has been that way for a while but Michael's signs have really developed a lot in recent years. What's amazing is that so few, objectively, of the fighters of the Philadelphia gym wars and the overall brutal decades of the 50s and 60s in the middle weight classes have had problems. Look at the beatings taken and dished out by Carmen Basilio. You'd think he'd be in that shape... but he's not. George Chuvalo's head is clear as a bell and he was target practice for every good heavyweight of the 70s.

It's just a shake-up to see it, and it makes you wish that every fighter had the right kind of people around them to get in their ear and tell them when enough is enough.
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post Apr 1 2008, 09:47 AM
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Ray Mercer is well on that same path.

I just watched his 12-round loss in a fight that was held in China. Talk about a guy that needs to call it quits. It was real hard to watch.
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post Apr 1 2008, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE(wvu8893 @ Mar 31 2008, 11:13 PM) [snapback]384722[/snapback]
I recorded ESPN Classic's RINGSIDE special on the 25 greatest knockouts. I'd seen bits and pieces of it before but made sure to record it this time.

You know, I can remember being in 7th or 8th grade, doing my research paper on pugilistic dementia. Even then it was something I was concerned about.

Then I see this special.

For those who haven't seen it, and I'm sure that applies to very few of you, make sure that you do. We're all aware of the condition Terry Norris is in. I'm so glad no one would give him a license when he tried to get one a while back. Jerry Quarry comes to mind, of course. There are other well-known cases. The two that really stood out here are Michael Moorer and Thomas Hearns. It's incredible how slurred Michael sounds right now. Tommy has been that way for a while but Michael's signs have really developed a lot in recent years. What's amazing is that so few, objectively, of the fighters of the Philadelphia gym wars and the overall brutal decades of the 50s and 60s in the middle weight classes have had problems. Look at the beatings taken and dished out by Carmen Basilio. You'd think he'd be in that shape... but he's not. George Chuvalo's head is clear as a bell and he was target practice for every good heavyweight of the 70s.

It's just a shake-up to see it, and it makes you wish that every fighter had the right kind of people around them to get in their ear and tell them when enough is enough.




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post Apr 1 2008, 01:02 PM
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Yeah, That shit is pretty sad to see. Especially Muhamad Ali.
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post Apr 1 2008, 02:07 PM
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The problem becomes worse when their sparring becomes almost like a real fight. Gym wars are hardly beneficial to a fighter. We all know the story of Ali sparring, laying on the ropes letting Holmes tee off on him.
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post Apr 1 2008, 04:47 PM
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One of the worst I've seen is Wilfred Benitez very sad stroy.

Antonio Cervantes is struggling big time aswell.
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post Apr 1 2008, 09:42 PM
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i think meldrick taylor is by far the worst i've seen.
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post Apr 1 2008, 11:16 PM
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QUOTE(rusty_trombone @ Apr 1 2008, 10:42 PM) [snapback]384788[/snapback]
i think meldrick taylor is by far the worst i've seen.


Yeah I agree with that. I remember watching a piece on him on ESPN Classic maybe 6 months ago and it was really sad to see the deterioration.

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post Apr 2 2008, 12:04 AM
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QUOTE(BrutalBodyShots @ Apr 2 2008, 12:16 AM) [snapback]384795[/snapback]
Yeah I agree with that. I remember watching a piece on him on ESPN Classic maybe 6 months ago and it was really sad to see the deterioration.


No Taylor is not the worst go look up Wilfred Benitez and see for your self.

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post Apr 2 2008, 12:30 AM
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This thread just keeps nailing the point home. Look at the names that have been in this thread and what has happened. Almost EVERY case could have been helped, even to a small degree, if people around them could have jumped in and said enough is enough. Another point: look at how financially destitute so many of these same fighters are now. Especially Benitez but with several of the others too.

This is one reason I really like Gerry Cooney's work for former fighters but I wish something could have been done on a higher level a long time ago.
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