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post Feb 5 2009, 02:48 PM
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Since the Moore vs Jones thread has become a debate about weightlifting, well at least some of it, I thought it would be a good idea to just start a forum about training/boxing exercises. I usually go on another board for that but a lot of the posters are douches. Since it seems like many of the posters have experience in it and enjoy discussing it, why don't we? Thoughts?
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Box in Hand
post Feb 6 2009, 12:13 PM
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Ok, since weights are introduced here, I'll give my opinion. There is nothing wrong with weight training for fighters. The quickest human I have ever seen used weights at least 4 time a week (Bruce Lee). Check out his book, The Art of Expressing the Human Body. My suggestion is you have to run and you have to stretch or you will become stiff. I have sparred with a lot of guys who lift weights and they are the easiest people to beat. They aren't flexible and their arms get tired after 1 or two rounds. You should also add swimming if you're going to lift weights. Here's my regiment

1. Run, Mackie Shilstone has a great routine that simulates an actual fight, he has the fighters run once around the field then sprint as hard as they can. This helps because in fights you will speed up and slow down.
2. Shadow box, this is for speed, flexibility, and to work on your technique.
3. Bag work, the heavy bag helps with distance and power. Always use a boxing timer to simulate an actual round.
4. Speed bag, works reflexes and speed.
5. Resistance cords, also works speed.
6. Sparring, this is very important because this is where you test your mettle. This is where you learn if what you learned will work.
7. Yoga or Pilates, This may make some laugh but the more flexible fighter is usally the better fighter. Yoga and Pilates works.

Finally, have a good coach or partner to help you with your weaknesses that you can't see.
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post Feb 6 2009, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE(Box in Hand @ Feb 6 2009, 01:13 PM) [snapback]424126[/snapback]
Ok, since weights are introduced here, I'll give my opinion. There is nothing wrong with weight training for fighters. The quickest human I have ever seen used weights at least 4 time a week (Bruce Lee). Check out his book, The Art of Expressing the Human Body. My suggestion is you have to run and you have to stretch or you will become stiff. I have sparred with a lot of guys who lift weights and they are the easiest people to beat. They aren't flexible and their arms get tired after 1 or two rounds. You should also add swimming if you're going to lift weights. Here's my regiment

1. Run, Mackie Shilstone has a great routine that simulates an actual fight, he has the fighters run once around the field then sprint as hard as they can. This helps because in fights you will speed up and slow down.
2. Shadow box, this is for speed, flexibility, and to work on your technique.
3. Bag work, the heavy bag helps with distance and power. Always use a boxing timer to simulate an actual round.
4. Speed bag, works reflexes and speed.
5. Resistance cords, also works speed.
6. Sparring, this is very important because this is where you test your mettle. This is where you learn if what you learned will work.
7. Yoga or Pilates, This may make some laugh but the more flexible fighter is usally the better fighter. Yoga and Pilates works.

Finally, have a good coach or partner to help you with your weaknesses that you can't see.

Speed bad works a lot more than just speed and reflexes..It builds up some of the most important muscles you can get for boxing(if done properly)..Sugar Ray Robinson and Louis(best guys to watch) and other guys now and in the past hit the speed bag the proper way..It builds up a muscle that attaches from the neck to the shoulder that is the most important muscle including the neck and legs for taking a punch..It isn't the trap either..I forget the name of it..

I'm with you on the yoga or pilates stuff even though I don't do it..Flexibility is important and will help keep you looser in the ring instead of stiff like Jeff Lacy..

Good work out plan Box in Hand..
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- snoopnick   Starting a "Training/Boxing Tips" Forum   Feb 5 2009, 02:48 PM
- - biggeorge89   I'd love that. Being an amateur boxer myself w...   Feb 5 2009, 02:51 PM
|- - snoopnick   QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Feb 5 2009, 08:51 PM)...   Feb 5 2009, 02:58 PM
- - Spyder   We should call it...VK3do Dedication Forum.   Feb 5 2009, 02:55 PM
|- - snoopnick   QUOTE(Spyder @ Feb 5 2009, 08:55 PM) 4239...   Feb 5 2009, 02:56 PM
- - biggeorge89   Unfortunately not, only Hype, Jack, Akay can do th...   Feb 5 2009, 03:00 PM
- - snoopnick   Maybe pass a word up the ranks then?   Feb 5 2009, 03:01 PM
|- - stillperpetuallygrooving   one of the best, and perhaps underrated training t...   Feb 5 2009, 04:22 PM
- - JonnyBlaze   I like this thread..Good idea..I'll write some...   Feb 5 2009, 08:58 PM
|- - snoopnick   QUOTE(JonnyBlaze @ Feb 6 2009, 02:58 AM) ...   Feb 5 2009, 09:11 PM
- - damarvelous1   Are we having another debate about weight lifting?...   Feb 5 2009, 10:23 PM
- - 3King3   I cant do it cause they blocked it at work but if ...   Feb 6 2009, 12:10 AM
|- - JonnyBlaze   QUOTE(3King3 @ Feb 6 2009, 01:10 AM) 4240...   Feb 6 2009, 02:35 AM
- - JonnyBlaze   Rowing is one of the best exercises for any boxer....   Feb 6 2009, 02:34 AM
- - JonnyBlaze   Row machine   Feb 6 2009, 03:07 AM
- - JonnyBlaze   Fitz,ya notice how all these guys have stiff backs...   Feb 6 2009, 03:16 AM
- - Spyder   Fitz...the problem with weights is they increase f...   Feb 6 2009, 10:03 AM
|- - JonnyBlaze   QUOTE(Spyder @ Feb 6 2009, 11:03 AM) 4241...   Feb 6 2009, 07:14 PM
- - thehype   You got it. Training Tips forum is up and located ...   Feb 6 2009, 10:14 AM
- - Spyder   Thanks Hype!   Feb 6 2009, 10:22 AM
- - The C.E.O.   New section....cool.... Let me add my 2 cents.......   Feb 6 2009, 10:48 AM
- - Spyder   I guess that's better than Butterbean...   Feb 6 2009, 11:12 AM
- - Box in Hand   Ok, since weights are introduced here, I'll gi...   Feb 6 2009, 12:13 PM
|- - JonnyBlaze   QUOTE(Box in Hand @ Feb 6 2009, 01:13 PM)...   Feb 6 2009, 07:22 PM
- - Jack 1000   Great idea for the new forum! I posted about ...   Feb 6 2009, 04:55 PM
|- - stillperpetuallygrooving   The general idea behind the weight training aspect...   Feb 6 2009, 05:34 PM
|- - ROLL DEEP   QUOTE(stillperpetuallygrooving @ Feb 6 2009, ...   Feb 7 2009, 05:03 PM
- - STEVENSKI   To build stamina I get a firm grip of the bar ...   Feb 6 2009, 09:16 PM
|- - Spyder   QUOTE(STEVENSKI @ Feb 6 2009, 09:16 PM) 4...   Feb 6 2009, 09:22 PM
||- - STEVENSKI   QUOTE(Spyder @ Feb 7 2009, 02:22 AM) 4242...   Feb 6 2009, 09:37 PM
|- - JonnyBlaze   QUOTE(STEVENSKI @ Feb 6 2009, 10:16 PM) 4...   Feb 7 2009, 05:55 PM
- - Spyder   I prefer snatches to a clean/jerk.   Feb 6 2009, 10:42 PM
- - MarzB   Onto the "weight" points, I think weight...   Feb 11 2009, 07:34 PM
|- - JonnyBlaze   QUOTE(MarzB @ Feb 11 2009, 08:34 PM) 4247...   Feb 11 2009, 10:26 PM
- - Spyder   No way Jon...Chico was crazy good until the Floyd ...   Feb 13 2009, 04:44 PM
|- - JonnyBlaze   QUOTE(Spyder @ Feb 13 2009, 05:44 PM) 424...   Feb 13 2009, 07:11 PM
- - JonnyBlaze   Spyder,I missed the thing about growth hormones..D...   Feb 13 2009, 07:12 PM
- - Spyder   I wouldn't be surprised at all. The man is 43...   Feb 13 2009, 10:48 PM
- - ROLL DEEP   Why do people bash weights? As long as you'r...   Feb 15 2009, 09:58 AM
- - Spyder   QUOTEAs long as you're using low weights and d...   Feb 15 2009, 07:50 PM
|- - ROLL DEEP   QUOTE(Spyder @ Feb 15 2009, 07:50 PM) 425...   Feb 16 2009, 11:47 AM
- - Spyder   Sorry ROLL, but's that's exactly what you ...   Feb 16 2009, 12:57 PM
|- - ROLL DEEP   QUOTE(Spyder @ Feb 16 2009, 12:57 PM) 425...   Feb 16 2009, 01:09 PM
- - Spyder   No worries man, it's taken me YEARS to figure ...   Feb 16 2009, 04:03 PM
- - STEVENSKI   Man just have a kebab & watch the damm fights ...   Feb 16 2009, 07:52 PM
- - Spyder   What the fuck is up with kebobs? Why would I want...   Feb 16 2009, 09:18 PM
- - STEVENSKI   Thats it Fitz.   Feb 16 2009, 10:51 PM
- - Spyder   Standing down... Those look pretty f-ing good...   Feb 17 2009, 03:32 PM
- - snoopnick   Doner kebabs are the muthafuckin' shit! Al...   Feb 17 2009, 09:58 PM
- - STEVENSKI   Sharwma are also good & so are the Adana kebab...   Feb 17 2009, 10:14 PM
- - Snoop   Can we change this Forum to be called "Johnny...   Feb 18 2010, 12:43 AM
- - lloyd mayflower   Donner kebabs are only acceptavle if your too shit...   Feb 18 2010, 06:50 AM


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