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MarzB
post Feb 11 2009, 07:34 PM
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Onto the "weight" points, I think weights are one of the WORSE things a boxer could use. Sure, Mosley and Holyfield uses them amongst other boxers but Shane I don't believe in his return tour to 147 has implemented them. I'm pretty certain he didn't use them in his last camp as his ability to throw combinations seemed to MAGICALLY come back.

I'm all for innovation in the training techniques and think weights do have "SOME" purpose but not HEAVY lifting that the average person that works out partakes in.

I believe if a boxer incorporates a weight training program, they should immediately box/hit the bag/shadow after lifting. It's my opinion that it's the elasticity of your muscles that generate speed and power not merely the "horse power" or "size" within it.

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post Feb 11 2009, 10:26 PM
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QUOTE(MarzB @ Feb 11 2009, 08:34 PM) [snapback]424749[/snapback]
Onto the "weight" points, I think weights are one of the WORSE things a boxer could use. Sure, Mosley and Holyfield uses them amongst other boxers but Shane I don't believe in his return tour to 147 has implemented them. I'm pretty certain he didn't use them in his last camp as his ability to throw combinations seemed to MAGICALLY come back.

I'm all for innovation in the training techniques and think weights do have "SOME" purpose but not HEAVY lifting that the average person that works out partakes in.

I believe if a boxer incorporates a weight training program, they should immediately box/hit the bag/shadow after lifting. It's my opinion that it's the elasticity of your muscles that generate speed and power not merely the "horse power" or "size" within it.

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post Feb 12 2009, 08:46 AM
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QUOTE(Fitz @ Feb 11 2009, 09:25 PM) [snapback]424775[/snapback]
Who said anything about them lifting heavy? Most fighters are supposed to lift light, but with high tempo to work there heart rate.

Also, you can add Hopkins to the list who lifts weights, and RJJ when he moved up.

Speaking of Hopkins lifting weights and moving up...has anyone else noticed that he seems to have regained his youth in doing that.

It's like Jermain Taylor showed us that Hopkins was an old fighter, then Hop moved up to Lt Heavy and all of a sudden he's fighting like he's in his 20's.

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post Feb 13 2009, 02:43 PM
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QUOTE(Spyder @ Feb 12 2009, 09:46 AM) [snapback]424886[/snapback]
Speaking of Hopkins lifting weights and moving up...has anyone else noticed that he seems to have regained his youth in doing that.

It's like Jermain Taylor showed us that Hopkins was an old fighter, then Hop moved up to Lt Heavy and all of a sudden he's fighting like he's in his 20's.

In my opinion he was having a hard time making 160 even though he still could..The extra weight he had gave him more energy..Being able to eat more food has helped him a lot..This has happened to plenty of fighters..Corrales was way more of a beast at 135 than below it..
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post Feb 13 2009, 04:44 PM
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No way Jon...Chico was crazy good until the Floyd fight at 130.

Everything he did after that loss was just building his rep back up.
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post Feb 13 2009, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE(Spyder @ Feb 13 2009, 05:44 PM) [snapback]424997[/snapback]
No way Jon...Chico was crazy good until the Floyd fight at 130.

Everything he did after that loss was just building his rep back up.

I'm not sayin he wasn't good below 135 but right before he fought Floyd he said he'd never fight at 130 again but to fight Floyd convinced him to..I do think he was better at 135 than any other weight but he was still good at any weight..Guys who train to lose weight to fight are at a huge disadvantage against guys who train to box..Hatton could be better than he is but his training camp is focused on him losing weight and not skills..

Fighters have even said they have more energy and feel better in the ring when they add on weight..B-Hop seriously would look like shit in first half of fights and come on later..I really think the weight was an issue for him and he felt he had to pace himself a lot more..There is no doubt about it he could of continued to fight at 160 and make weight with ease but his body didn't like it as much as it does now..Ya know what I mean??
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post Feb 13 2009, 07:12 PM
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Spyder,I missed the thing about growth hormones..Do you think B-Hop takes them??
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post Feb 13 2009, 10:48 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised at all. The man is 43.

Before working with Mackie...no way. But when I saw him weigh in for the Tarver fight, it raised my eyebrows...
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post Feb 14 2009, 10:08 AM
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QUOTE(Fitz @ Feb 11 2009, 10:25 PM) [snapback]424775[/snapback]
Who said anything about them lifting heavy? Most fighters are supposed to lift light, but with high tempo to work there heart rate.

Also, you can add Hopkins to the list who lifts weights, and RJJ when he moved up.



It wasn't said but lets look at this from a realistic perspective. Most people who will try to incorporate this with a boxing program will tend to go the traditional route. I'm not talking about the HOPKINS of the world although I'm VERY curious exactly what it is he does. Floyd also has been seen with weights.

I personally believe one doesn't need them and can get EXACTLY if not better results with ployometrics exercises.
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post Feb 15 2009, 09:58 AM
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Why do people bash weights?


As long as you're using low weights and developing fast twitch muscle fibres (the explosive type) that light weights will give you, why not use them?


If you're arm, for instance, gets used to throwing a punch with a 5kgs dumbell in your hand, and it gets used to having to exert a certain amount of power to reach your desired speed, then WITHOUT the dumbell, you'll punch quicker and harder.


Providing you don't go heavy with the weights (which was never mentioned when the whole weights thing came about), and develop slow twitch muscle fibres, you'll be fine.



Doing an intense weights session also keeps your body burning calories AFTER training too while the muscle repairs themselves, so they can aid in loosing weight too.
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