[D-MARV]

Roy could use the money too.

[King Eugene]

Roy could use the money too.

I'm sure he could use it...at this point who couldn't use it but like I said I'm sure he doesn't need it.

[JD]

Roy fights cause he wants to, for the glory of it...not cause he needs money.

I agree. Last nights crowing achievement was a sight to behold!

[Big Slim Sweet]

you dont think mayweather would beat margarito after that one sided boxing lesson shane put on him?... margarito wouldnt touch mayweather.

I also can't believe someone brought up Margaritos name in this thread. Tony wouldn't have beaten him even if he was cheating.

I said Mayweather wouldn't beat Margarito - not couldn't. And by that I was referring to the fact (maybe I should have made it clearer) that he wouldn't even fight him. No matter how badly Mosley brutalized Margarito it will never change the fact that Floyd ducked him. It doesn't matter whether Floyd could have beaten him with one hand tied behind his back. He didn't. He forever lost a good chunk of respect from a good chunk of folks in the boxing community for that.

Had Shane Mosley fought Floyd's schedule exactly the way Floyd did, he would be 39-0 today too. And the same holds true IMO for Cotto and Williams. For all Floyd's glory, all the talk about him being one of the ATG's, he hasn't done anything those three couldn't have done as well.

[Big Slim Sweet]

Paul Williams is the only guy at 147 and under I see that could beat Floyd. His work rate and reach would have Mayweather on the defense all night. Then again it could be Corrales II.

Corrales despite being huge for a lightweight had short arms. He looked like a T-Rex. And his style was well suited for Floyd. He came forward all night, followed his opponent around looking to knock him out.

Williams is a much bigger man than Diego was. 6'3" with ridiculously long arms. He could catch his opponent with a jab between rounds sitting on opposite corners of the ring. And his work rate is much higher.

Truthfully I think it's probably time to stop including Williams in the WW discussion. He's fighting next month as a middleweight. I doubt anyone from the current crop of welters is ever going to fight him.

[D-MARV]

I think what gets lost here in this argument about Floyd is that he is not a "True" welterweight. We forget the work he has done at prior weight classes.

We constantly call on him to fight guys like Margarito and Paul Williams then frown when we here names like Pacquiao and JMM. In reality, Margarito and PWill hold the same size advantage over Floyd that Floyd holds over JMM and MAnny Pac. As much as I hate Calzaghe, I'll defend him the same way... Let them fight who they choose to fight. Both fighters of done a lot and proven to be great champions. I get mad at Floyd all the time because I believe he can accomplish much more than he has. But you know what... No matter who he beats at this stage, you will still have people hating. If he beats Cotto, then Margarito took a lot out of Cotto. If he beats Mosley then Mosley was past his prime. If he beats Margarito then it was because Mosley exposed him. If he beats PWill then it's, well Quintana already exposed him. Give it a rest. IF Mayweather comes back he wll be challenging the top 2 P4P fighters in the world. (Pac and JMM), I see no harm in that. Despite what many believe, Mayweather is the biggest name in the sport right now, so let him fight whoever. One thing is for sure... Whoever he fights it will be an event and Millions of people will watch in hopes that Mayweather loses.

[Mean Mister Must...]

I agree. Last nights crowing achievement was a sight to behold!

LOL

[JLUVBABY]

I think what gets lost here in this argument about Floyd is that he is not a "True" welterweight. We forget the work he has done at prior weight classes.

We constantly call on him to fight guys like Margarito and Paul Williams then frown when we here names like Pacquiao and JMM. In reality, Margarito and PWill hold the same size advantage over Floyd that Floyd holds over JMM and MAnny Pac. As much as I hate Calzaghe, I'll defend him the same way... Let them fight who they choose to fight. Both fighters of done a lot and proven to be great champions. I get mad at Floyd all the time because I believe he can accomplish much more than he has. But you know what... No matter who he beats at this stage, you will still have people hating. If he beats Cotto, then Margarito took a lot out of Cotto. If he beats Mosley then Mosley was past his prime. If he beats Margarito then it was because Mosley exposed him. If he beats PWill then it's, well Quintana already exposed him. Give it a rest. IF Mayweather comes back he wll be challenging the top 2 P4P fighters in the world. (Pac and JMM), I see no harm in that. Despite what many believe, Mayweather is the biggest name in the sport right now, so let him fight whoever. One thing is for sure... Whoever he fights it will be an event and Millions of people will watch in hopes that Mayweather loses.

thats all i have been saying all along.. people seem to forget that floyd started out at 130... now i will say that i believe he has built himself into a welter. but he is a very small welterweight...

[dbdbdb]

I think what gets lost here in this argument about Floyd is that he is not a "True" welterweight. We forget the work he has done at prior weight classes.

We constantly call on him to fight guys like Margarito and Paul Williams then frown when we here names like Pacquiao and JMM. In reality, Margarito and PWill hold the same size advantage over Floyd that Floyd holds over JMM and MAnny Pac. As much as I hate Calzaghe, I'll defend him the same way... Let them fight who they choose to fight. Both fighters of done a lot and proven to be great champions. I get mad at Floyd all the time because I believe he can accomplish much more than he has. But you know what... No matter who he beats at this stage, you will still have people hating. If he beats Cotto, then Margarito took a lot out of Cotto. If he beats Mosley then Mosley was past his prime. If he beats Margarito then it was because Mosley exposed him. If he beats PWill then it's, well Quintana already exposed him. Give it a rest. IF Mayweather comes back he wll be challenging the top 2 P4P fighters in the world. (Pac and JMM), I see no harm in that. Despite what many believe, Mayweather is the biggest name in the sport right now, so let him fight whoever. One thing is for sure... Whoever he fights it will be an event and Millions of people will watch in hopes that Mayweather loses.

Nicely Put damarvelous1

thats all i have been saying all along.. people seem to forget that floyd started out at 130... now i will say that i believe he has built himself into a welter. but he is a very small welterweight...

Actually he started out a lot lighter than that and gradually moved up. And what many don't understand id that he moved up to 147lbs to specifically challenge both Mosley & DLH. Who both promised to come down to 147lbs also.

So, its apparent that this argument will never be resolved ... which is odd ... because if the haters didn't think highly of Floyd ... they wouldn't be constantly hoping he would fight someone who has a chance in hell of beating him. Even if Floyd got past Mosley, Cotto, Williams, {Insert Name here} .... the haters will want him to fight David Haye next or he still wouldn't be Sh*t. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Ridiculous!!!!!

[JLUVBABY]

Nicely Put damarvelous1
Actually he started out a lot lighter than that and gradually moved up. And what many don't understand id that he moved up to 147lbs to specifically challenge both Mosley & DLH. Who both promised to come down to 147lbs also.

So, its apparent that this argument will never be resolved ... which is odd ... because if the haters didn't think highly of Floyd ... they wouldn't be constantly hoping he would fight someone who has a chance in hell of beating him. Even if Floyd got past Mosley, Cotto, Williams, {Insert Name here} .... the haters will want him to fight David Haye next or he still wouldn't be Sh*t. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Ridiculous!!!!!

dbd... floyds pro debut was at 130... floyds boxrec but your point is still valid... he moved up to welter actually chasing dela hoya who was the money pit stop on every bodies radar.... and i am sure mosely was in the equation as well... but i dont think the plan was ever to move up and face all the top welters.. it was a money decision... also people seem to forget he through away $20 million to retire from the sport for the hoya rematch... i always figured that if he could just piss off that kind of pay day to retire his heart really had to be out of the game... just my opinion... i left you that boxrec cuzz you said he started lower than 130... i didnt think that was correct.. i have watched his whole career....