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Sugar Q
post Apr 11 2009, 10:45 PM
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Forget Pacquiao Paul Williams is the man to beat. Tell me your thoughts.
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post Apr 12 2009, 07:52 AM
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LOL.

No, he isn't.

Top 10...yep. #1? Ehhh...no.

I love the post fight hysteria some guys go into...it is hilarious.
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post Apr 12 2009, 08:04 AM
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QUOTE (JD @ Apr 12 2009, 07:52 AM) *
LOL.

No, he isn't.

Top 10...yep. #1? Ehhh...no.

I love the post fight hysteria some guys go into...it is hilarious.


Do you think Williams beats Floyd at 147? I do.

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post Apr 12 2009, 08:17 AM
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QUOTE (salvador @ Apr 12 2009, 09:04 AM) *
Do you think Williams beats Floyd at 147? I do.


Yeah, I do.

The physical advantages are just way too much for even Floyd...but I also think Floyd far exceeds Williams on a P4P level. 147 is the absolute lightest Williams should ever be at...and 147 is the absolute heaviest Floyd should ever be at.
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post Apr 12 2009, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE (JD @ Apr 12 2009, 08:17 AM) *
Yeah, I do.

The physical advantages are just way too much for even Floyd...but I also think Floyd far exceeds Williams on a P4P level. 147 is the absolute lightest Williams should ever be at...and 147 is the absolute heaviest Floyd should ever be at.


The lightest vs heaviest argument is reasonable.

But the idea that just because Floyd is faster, more coordinated, and overall just a better athelete doesn't make him a more formidable opponent p4p. Williams' freakish size and stamina make him a tougher fight on a p4p basis than just about anyone in the sport. Williams weighed in at 157 for this fight - so it's not like he's killing himself to make mw.
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post Apr 12 2009, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE (salvador @ Apr 12 2009, 11:56 AM) *
The lightest vs heaviest argument is reasonable.

But the idea that just because Floyd is faster, more coordinated, and overall just a better athelete doesn't make him a more formidable opponent p4p. Williams' freakish size and stamina make him a tougher fight on a p4p basis than just about anyone in the sport. Williams weighed in at 157 for this fight - so it's not like he's killing himself to make mw.


No...he isn't at killing himself at all, but I really cannot think of one thing Paul Williams does better than Floyd Mayweather. He is just so much bigger. He throws a ton of punches...he has great stamina, but P4P I do not think he really compares to Floyd and his skill set. At 160, I don't think Williams beats Pavlik OR Abraham, but I know for damn sure he'd be willing to try.

I mean, if Juan Manuel Marquez fought Joshua Clottey at welterweight he would lose soundly - but it doesn't mean I think Clottey is better than him on a P4P basis.
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post Apr 12 2009, 12:22 PM
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QUOTE (JD @ Apr 12 2009, 11:13 AM) *
No...he isn't at killing himself at all, but I really cannot think of one thing Paul Williams does better than Floyd Mayweather. He is just so much bigger. He throws a ton of punches...he has great stamina, but P4P I do not think he really compares to Floyd and his skill set. At 160, I don't think Williams beats Pavlik OR Abraham, but I know for damn sure he'd be willing to try.

I mean, if Juan Manuel Marquez fought Joshua Clottey at welterweight he would lose soundly - but it doesn't mean I think Clottey is better than him on a P4P basis.


So it's just a matter of a definition. I believe p4p is about who is the most formidable opponent p4p and you think it's about athleticism. Maybe Floyd's speed is as unfair a natural advantage as Williams' size/stamina/chin.

Floyd's obviously the most talented guy in the sport right now, but Williams is more formidable p4p, so I'd take Williams.
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- Sugar Q   PAUL WILLIAMS IS THE P4P KING!   Apr 11 2009, 10:45 PM
- - biggeorge89   LEt the hype begin... Pacquiao has beaten all tim...   Apr 11 2009, 10:47 PM
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- - Box in Hand   Why is it that after every big fight people are re...   Apr 11 2009, 10:55 PM
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- - biggeorge89   Williams would probably win..but this guy made Win...   Apr 11 2009, 10:59 PM
- - Mean Mister Mustard   Crazy talk from a crazy poster. PacMan has beate...   Apr 11 2009, 11:29 PM
|- - Sugar Q   QUOTE (Mean Mister Mustard @ Apr 12 2009, 12...   Apr 12 2009, 11:14 AM
- - The C.E.O.   Paul Williams has alot more work to do to become ...   Apr 11 2009, 11:55 PM
- - hardhead   I don't think he's overtaken Pacquiao yet ...   Apr 12 2009, 12:01 AM
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|- - JLUVBABY   QUOTE (Lil-lightsout @ Apr 12 2009, 12...   Apr 12 2009, 12:57 PM
- - kidbazooka1   Williams is the real deal but no way is he p4p #1 ...   Apr 12 2009, 12:09 AM
- - Big Slim   Williams definitely crashes the top ten after toni...   Apr 12 2009, 12:16 AM
- - damarvelous1   PWill still has a few fights before he gets that d...   Apr 12 2009, 01:01 AM
- - JD   LOL. No, he isn't. Top 10...yep. #1? Ehhh....   Apr 12 2009, 07:52 AM
|- - salvador   QUOTE (JD @ Apr 12 2009, 07:52 AM) LOL. ...   Apr 12 2009, 08:04 AM
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