[mrwigi]

I think it shuld be a good fight regardless of who wins.. Im rooting for haye and he can win depending on what type of fight he fights. Im picking haye about 8 or 9th round ko.

[Big Slim Sweet]

My jabs will give him a pizza face

Wooooo!!! Now that's some trash talking right there. Easily on par with Tyson's famous boast, "If he doesn't die, it doesn't count," or any of James Toney's greatest one-liners. Wlad is straight street these days.

WAR DAVID FUCKING HAYE!!!

[Maxy]

Wooooo!!! Now that's some trash talking right there. Easily on par with Tyson's famous boast, "If he doesn't die, it doesn't count," or any of James Toney's greatest one-liners. Wlad is straight street these days.

WAR DAVID FUCKING HAYE!!!

Yeah Wlad is definitely up there with the baddest trash talkers around!

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[ROLL DEEP]

My jab will give him pizza face, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)



Wlad's taking it straight to the gutter with that shit.

[MarzB]

The problem I have with Wlad coming out trying to take Haye out is that one, thats NOT within his character profile let alone his skill set.

In otherwords, he'll be fighting outside of himself. The one thing Emmanual has brought to Wlad is the use of his left hook and "HOW TO CLINCH". Had Wlad NOT been able to learn about clinching against Peter for example, he would have been KTFO then.

I see Haye coming out exactly like Peter did but more intelligently. I'm not worried about Haye's ability to take a punch (UNLESS he makes a colossal mistake) because you often get knocked out with what you don't see or account for. I definitely believed he's not only STUDIED and sees something he can exploit within Wlad, but the Lennox Lewis addition will definitely help.

Emmanual has a mancrush on tall fighters thats damn near borderline gay IMO but even from one of my favorite boxers of all time (Tommy Hearns) to his present charge in Wlad, NONE of these guys can sustain smart aggressive fighters that come out them and take their height advantage away. (Not Hearns, Vivian Harris, Kermit the cryBaby and not Wlad). Lennox Lewis was the only Emmanual charge that used his height effectively in ALL situations.

My point there is if you concede that Wlad is stronger and the "real" heavyweight, then Haye is definitely the QUICKER hand of the two. Speed is power in boxing.

Haye needs to fight a smart fight, NOT try for the K-O early, make Wlad come at him where he'll be his usual GIRAFFE (stand straight up) self and he'll be a clean target for a Haye hook or straight right.

Haye has use his footwork more to negate Wlad's clinching. Additionally if Haye can come with a body attack (which I doubt he will) it's really trouble for Wlad.

On the Wlad side, if he peppers that jab and catches Haye consistently, Haye may be a sitting duck waiting to be knocked out.

Close fight. I'm rooting for Haye but if Haye doesn't fight smart (and just tries to take him out)it'll be curtains for him.

[D-MARV]

They have Haye listed @ +200... That's not bad odds.

[Mean Mister Must...]

The problem I have with Wlad coming out trying to take Haye out is that one, thats NOT within his character profile let alone his skill set.

In otherwords, he'll be fighting outside of himself. The one thing Emmanual has brought to Wlad is the use of his left hook and "HOW TO CLINCH". Had Wlad NOT been able to learn about clinching against Peter for example, he would have been KTFO then.

I see Haye coming out exactly like Peter did but more intelligently. I'm not worried about Haye's ability to take a punch (UNLESS he makes a colossal mistake) because you often get knocked out with what you don't see or account for. I definitely believed he's not only STUDIED and sees something he can exploit within Wlad, but the Lennox Lewis addition will definitely help.

Emmanual has a mancrush on tall fighters thats damn near borderline gay IMO but even from one of my favorite boxers of all time (Tommy Hearns) to his present charge in Wlad, NONE of these guys can sustain smart aggressive fighters that come out them and take their height advantage away. (Not Hearns, Vivian Harris, Kermit the cryBaby and not Wlad). Lennox Lewis was the only Emmanual charge that used his height effectively in ALL situations.

My point there is if you concede that Wlad is stronger and the "real" heavyweight, then Haye is definitely the QUICKER hand of the two. Speed is power in boxing.

Haye needs to fight a smart fight, NOT try for the K-O early, make Wlad come at him where he'll be his usual GIRAFFE (stand straight up) self and he'll be a clean target for a Haye hook or straight right.

Haye has use his footwork more to negate Wlad's clinching. Additionally if Haye can come with a body attack (which I doubt he will) it's really trouble for Wlad.

On the Wlad side, if he peppers that jab and catches Haye consistently, Haye may be a sitting duck waiting to be knocked out.

Close fight. I'm rooting for Haye but if Haye doesn't fight smart (and just tries to take him out)it'll be curtains for him.

Haye likes to keep his hands down like he's Roy Jones Jr and because of that he is susceptible to being tagged with jabs. Watch the Maccarinelli fight, he was eating some jabs before he ended the fight. I would expect Wlad's jab to be slower than a cruiserweight's but there is no denying that he has one of the best jabs, in terms of technique, in boxing. It is also very heavy and if Haye gets hit with it too much, coupled with Wladmir's clinches designed to wear out his opponents, Haye might get softened up and get Ko'd.

I don't expect Wlad to come out looking for the KO. I'm pretty sure when he gets into the gym and tells Steward "I vant to knock disrespectful man out." Steward will tell him "Shut your mouth and let's get started on our usual training, jab and clinch".

Also. when he finally steps in with Haye and sees that he is faster than most of the heavyweights he has faced and that he can actually hit pretty good, he will revert to his old ways of fighting from the distance looking for the decision.

[MarzB]

Also. when he finally steps in with Haye and sees that he is faster than most of the heavyweights he has faced and that he can actually hit pretty good, he will revert to his old ways of fighting from the distance looking for the decision.

Hm, interesting. You said something I didn't totally consider and thats Wlad being a pursuer or staying at bay. Hm, you make a point here which would force Haye to have to bring the fight to Wlad which leaves him vulnerable. I've seen Haye fight three times and I could be wrong but he does throw a jab to the body something you rarely see from heavies. (Larry Holmes, Lennox and Ray Mercer are ones that I can recall off the top). That said, if Haye can't land that punch to get Wlad out of how do we say, "tactical mode", then he'll lose.

Haye does stand another problem IMO in that the fights in Germany and even he knows he's NOT gonna get a decision there.

[Mean Mister Must...]

Also. when he finally steps in with Haye and sees that he is faster than most of the heavyweights he has faced and that he can actually hit pretty good, he will revert to his old ways of fighting from the distance looking for the decision.

Hm, interesting. You said something I didn't totally consider and thats Wlad being a pursuer or staying at bay. Hm, you make a point here which would force Haye to have to bring the fight to Wlad which leaves him vulnerable. I've seen Haye fight three times and I could be wrong but he does throw a jab to the body something you rarely see from heavies. (Larry Holmes, Lennox and Ray Mercer are ones that I can recall off the top). That said, if Haye can't land that punch to get Wlad out of how do we say, "tactical mode", then he'll lose.

Haye does stand another problem IMO in that the fights in Germany and even he knows he's NOT gonna get a decision there.

That's the thing. If Klitshko starts getting out of character then he could get caught with something he doesn't see coming, which is how we all expect Haye to beat him. I don't know, maybe going foward might suit Klitshko in this one. He might do it considering he's been taunted by Haye and he might also think "Hey, he's a cruiser, I've got no problems".

[salvador]

They have Haye listed @ +200... That's not bad odds.

Between Haye at +200 and Hatton at +210, I'll take Hatton.

I really do like the idea of a smaller, faster hw in with the Klits, but I find it hard to believe that Haye's going to get past that jab (particularly after the 4th round) to land that one lucky punch. Wlad's just such an enormous step up from Macrenelli.