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[du365]

If a fighter is being outclass to the point that he can't win and he's getting BANGED....what would you as a fan or trainer have him do.....quit and live to fight another day or give the fans that pay to see you a climatic conclusion and go out on your shield?

[Big Slim Sweet]

A fractured orbital socket is enough to make most people quit especially getting punched on it by a powerful puncher like Tyson. Just because you cannot see the injury does not mean it does not exist. I think Golota got lambasted for quitting again last year when he had a broken arm.

I'm not sure that fractured orbital socket was ever confirmed or if it was just something Golota's wife said as a cover.

Either way running out of the ring the way he did was an absolute disgrace.

I agree with Fitz, there are cases where enough is enough, the fighter knows he's in over his head on this particular night, has already taken a lot of punishment and doesn't have a realistic chance of pulling out the win. None of this was the case with Ortiz. He'd taken some shots but it was clear that physically he was still very much in the fight. He just didn't want to deal with the pain. That's fine for the average guy on the street but not for a guy who fights professionally for a living.

I don't want to see every fighter come into the ring ready to die. But I would like to see every fighter give a complete effort.