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post Jul 12 2009, 11:44 PM
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post Jul 13 2009, 06:06 AM
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Lesnar is a big sissy.....let the Lesnar hatewagon begin.
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post Jul 13 2009, 06:08 AM
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post Jul 13 2009, 06:12 AM
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QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ Jul 13 2009, 02:47 AM) *
Lesnar is the man pure & simple he is the UFC champion & avenged his only loss in brutal fashion. Fuck Bud Light, Fuck UFC & Fuck Frank Mir.

He can say what the fuck he likes because unlike people like Mayweather he is the legit moneymaking machine & Dana knows that & will use that to continue to build the Lesnar brand. Why do you think this guy HEADLINED the biggest UFC PPV ever? Because he sells tickets.

Look how many of you want to see him get hurt already & he has had 5 fights! This man has the personality & promo ability to actually sell a PPV & believe me he is big news.


I'm sorry, what is Lesnar the man for? Fedor is the man plain and simple.

Is Lesnar the man for beating a MUCH smaller 46 year old Randy Cotoure who he outweighed by what 60 pounds? No.

Is Lesnar the man for going 1-1 with Frank Mir? No.

Is Lesnar the man for beating that korean nobody? No.

Is Lesnar the man for beating Heath Herring? No.

Is Lesnar good at LAY and GAY? Yes.

LESNAR will get massacred by a more superior and skilled fighter, Fedor.

BTW, Money Mayweather has earned more in ONE fight than Lesnar will earn his entire UFC career...Mayweather also didn't need to be in the WWE like Lesnar did. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Jul 13 2009, 06:53 AM
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QUOTE (biggeorge89 @ Jul 13 2009, 12:12 PM) *
I'm sorry, what is Lesnar the man for? Fedor is the man plain and simple.

Is Lesnar the man for beating a MUCH smaller 46 year old Randy Cotoure who he outweighed by what 60 pounds? No.

Is Lesnar the man for going 1-1 with Frank Mir? No.

Is Lesnar the man for beating that korean nobody? No.

Is Lesnar the man for beating Heath Herring? No.

Is Lesnar good at LAY and GAY? Yes.

LESNAR will get massacred by a more superior and skilled fighter, Fedor.

BTW, Money Mayweather has earned more in ONE fight than Lesnar will earn his entire UFC career...Mayweather also didn't need to be in the WWE like Lesnar did. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


Lesnar is the man within the UFC. Anyone who knows MMA knows Fedor is the man at heavyweight currently.

Lesnar beat the UFC champion at the time in Couture & seeing as it was at heavyweight the weight has nothing to do with that. If that is the case Randy should have stayed at 205 then. Beating Randy made him the man in the UFC.

Yes he is because he unified the split title & became undisputed UFC heavyweight champion.

As for his fight against Kim I don't exactly know what you expect from a fighters pro debut?

He never was going to be the man for beating Herring & everyone knows that.

Lesnar has shown he is pretty good at "lay & pray" by beating two of the UFC's best heavyweights with his lay & pray stylings.

I would expect him to be beaten by Fedor who has a hell of a lot of MMA experience under his belt. If it went more than 1 round it would be a pretty poor reflection on such a noted striker as Fedor.

Lesnar made his name in WWE as at the time that was the one place a wrestler could go & make big money if they are good enough. He has carried over his fan base to the UFC & I expect him to deliver excellent PPV #'s so long as he holds the belt & continued to win. I never said that he earnt more than Mayweather I said he is a moneymaking machine & has demonstrated that ably with his current PPV #'s. Remind me what was Mayweathers best PPV # before he fought the golden child?

UFC 81 600,000 buys

UFC 87 625,000 buys

UFC 91 920,000 buys

UFC100 ? 1,000,000 + buys

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post Jul 13 2009, 07:38 AM
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Look, i give Lesnar credit for ONE thing...and that's that he acutually stepped into the UFC and is willing to prove himself..however he's a big sissy...I don't care what anybody says..he's just a sissy to me....and Randy.....46 years old, 60 pounds lighter..lol..come on man..
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post Jul 13 2009, 07:51 AM
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QUOTE (biggeorge89 @ Jul 13 2009, 12:38 PM) *
Look, i give Lesnar credit for ONE thing...and that's that he acutually stepped into the UFC and is willing to prove himself..however he's a big sissy...and Randy.....46 years old, 60 pounds lighter..lol..come on man..



He was the champion at the time. What should have he done said "Sorry Randy you are too old & I am too big to fight you so I better forget about taking the title shot offered to me" C'mon G get real with this. You may hate the guy but he has delivered in PPV #'s & become the champion in a very short space of time. Who else should have he fought in the UFC?

The guy is just doing the best he can & with his somewhat limited skillset he has achieved a great deal in a short amount of time.

In only 4 UFC fights he has had over 3M possibly 3.5M buys! I know UFC has consistantly done great buyrates but for a greenhorn who headlined two of those cards & was the joint main event or top undercard fight in the other 2. What is unfortunate is that he has earnt so little relatively speaking from those fights which would have grossed $150M + US on PPV alone & of that money he would have been lucky to see $3-10M.
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post Jul 13 2009, 12:32 PM
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Fuck this Hatewagon.

Dana White may be trying to create the illusion that the UFC faithful want sportsmanship, but I know better. Lesnar spoke directly to the hardcore UFC fans, and they loved every minute of it. The only thing they like better than NASCAR and the old #3, is watching a good ol' fashioned ass whoopin followed by a shit talkin son-of-a-bitch!

That kind of display has been selling WWE tickets for years.

War on Brock Lesnar...I hope he finds this pathetic little hatwagon, and sticks his size 3X fist up its ass!
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post Jul 13 2009, 02:53 PM
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QUOTE (Romulus9 @ Jul 12 2009, 04:26 PM) *
Personally, more than anything else surrounding the event, I enjoyed the fact that Dana did not allow a single Tito Ortiz win to even be eligible to be voted on for the Ultimate 100. Love Dana or hate him, that was absolutely wonderful, especially because I can't stand Tito Ortiz. Of course, the joke's on Tito. Half the men in the world would have killed to get with Jenna Jameson circa 1998, but he gets to rail the version that had another 5 years of porn, too much plastic surgery, and looks like someone drew a face on a plastic bag and stretched it over their knee.



Um...yeah...I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with this statement. In my opinion, Dana White just proved how much of a dick he can be by not allowing a single Tito Ortiz win to be eligible. I mean, what the fuck is that all about? Whether you love or hate Tito Ortiz, the motherfucker carried the UFC on his back for many, many, MANY years when the sport was still considered to be underground. 22 fights and all but one were with the UFC...not many fighters can say that. When so many guys were jumping ship to head over to Pride, Tito remained loyal and stayed with Dana and the UFC.

Despite the fact that people like to point to the Griffin-Bonnar match as being the one that pushed the UFC into the forefront, quite frankly, I think it had more to do with Tito Ortiz and his feud with Ken Shamrock as their first fight at UFC 40 is pretty much when the UFC started to see an upswing in PPV buys and viewership. Zuffa took over ownership of the UFC at UFC 30 and quite honestly, their PPV buys were anemic. UFC 34-39 did a total sum of 45,000 buys. Tito Ortiz and his grudge with Ken Shamrock changed all that. It was Ortiz who rocked the t-shirts disrespecting Shamrock's proteges Jerry Bohlander and Guy Mezger after he beat them. It was Ortiz who was the most marketable fighter the UFC had and it was Ortiz who helped create a near-sellout crowd of 13,022 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena for UFC 40. The event did a then-UFC-record gate of $1,540,000 and did 150,000 PPV buys. Up until that point, that was the largest number of PPV buys since Shamrock vs. Gracie at UFC 5 (260,000 buys).

Like I said, you can hate Ortiz if you want, but if it wasn't for his loyalty to the company and his willingness to be controversial with his disrespect to the Lion's Den, there's no way in hell that the UFC would have got a deal with Spike to begin with and more than likely, we wouldn't have been anywhere close to seeing UFC 100. I think Tito Ortiz is owed a lot of respect for what he did, not just for the UFC, but for the sport as well and even now, when all these fighters are so willing to bend at Dana's demands, he still stays firm in his belief that fighters (in particular himself...but still fighters nonetheless) should be getting paid more money.

I think Dana doing that just shows how little he really cares about fighters, particularly those that he doesn't like.
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post Jul 13 2009, 03:14 PM
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I didn't say it was right, or even smart. I just said I enjoyed it and thought it was funny because Tito pisses me off.

I'm not surprised that Griffin-Bonnar was voted #1, or that it gets so much attention, but what is even more important than the start of the feud at UFC 40 is the FREE broadcast on Spike of the 3rd fight, with all the buildup, even though the fight was dreadful. That move resonated with the fanbase, and provided widespread visibility that has grown to a huge level since (and isn't slowing down). Boxing really needs that too.

Despite the fact that I can't stand him, and enjoy watching Liddell knock him out over and over, he's right about the money and he's right about Dana White in many ways. What Frank Mir got paid last weekend was absolutely insulting. 45K with a 45K bonus for a win, while Lesnar's BASE pay was 400K. I'm not saying Mir should have gotten what St. Pierre did, but Lesnar shouldn't have gotten what GSP got either. The pay is awful. Should they be demanding Money May kind of paydays? No. But the overall finances are ridiculous, especially considering the kind of cash the sport is generating at present.

I remember watching the early, EARLY UFC's, back in the tournament and superfight days, and it's amazing how far things have come since then. Ortiz, and a few others, deserve a great deal of credit for the surge in the last few years. That can't be questioned. He just pisses me off. One thing's for sure... Dana's going to have to knock off these stupid demands if he wants Fedor to show up. Fedor-Lesnar would EASILY be the biggest selling PPV ever. Dana knows it, but Fedor knows it too, and he should absolutely hold out for a fair shake.

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