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> Hopkins vs. Williams? Shane vs. Berto/Clottey?, Very interesting article...
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post Aug 25 2009, 01:52 PM
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Paul Williams is the real deal. The sceptics will see that soon enough. He's one of the few fighters who will fight ANYONE within reason and it appears now out of reason. Williams has no business thinking 170 yet he's thinking about it. How could you not respect a fighter like that? He's not a showboater, not a complainer, or an excuse maker. He seems like a solid dude.

This is the part I dont get. People have favorite fighters and that makes them nuthuggers? A small percentage of people on here are flat out assholes. Just rotten jerks. If you dont agree with them they convert to childish name calling because I guess it makes them feel better. Cha Please! I guess that's just life though. They world has to have a certain amount of bitter pricks. It's beyond their control.
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post Aug 25 2009, 02:02 PM
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Williams has no business thinking 170 yet he's thinking about it. How could you not respect a fighter like that?


I think you kind of have to reserve your respect until he actually does it, no?

You're saying he has no business there, and I don't see any sites out there reporting that he's thinking about it (admittedly I have been busy and haven't gotten around to all the sites today, so maybe I'm out of the loop).

I DO know they wanted to fight Hopkins. I know that they (he and Goosen) were calling him out. I'm just wondering what weight they thought they were going to be getting him at?

Note: I am not talking about the last two weeks' developments, but rather in the past few months. Team Williams and Goosen were calling Hopkins out. Seriously, what weight were they expecting the fight to be at? I would ASSUME at the very LEAST 168, and IF that is the case, then what the fuck is the difference if it's at 170?
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post Aug 25 2009, 02:10 PM
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If Hopkins - Williams happens at 168 or 170, I think it will be hilarious to see the same guys that are bashing Pac for fighting Cotto at 145 and not 147, gush over Williams fighting Hopkins at 168 or 170 and not 175.
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post Aug 25 2009, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE (JD @ Aug 25 2009, 03:10 PM) *
If Hopkins - Williams happens at 168 or 170, I think it will be hilarious to see the same guys that are bashing Pac for fighting Cotto at 145 and not 147, gush over Williams fighting Hopkins at 168 or 170 and not 175.

If it was for the light heavyweight championship of world and PWill demanded it be, then I would be first in line to call Williams a bitch!


I just want to see the same people that BASH Mayweather for fight JMM at 144 Bash Hopkins for fighting a middleweight.
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post Aug 25 2009, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE (StyleZ @ Aug 25 2009, 06:44 PM) *
If it was for the light heavyweight championship of world and PWill demanded it be, then I would be first in line to call Williams a bitch!


I just want to see the same people that BASH Mayweather for fight JMM at 144 Bash Hopkins for fighting a middleweight.


LOL. Ok...

If all these guys want these fights, have at it. Personally I have zero interest in Hopkins - Williams, and would prefer Hopkins - Adamek. I have zero interest in Mayweather - Marquez and would prefer Mosley - Mayweather.

I do have an interest on Cotto - Pacquiao though, terrific fight in my view.

That said, if these guys want the fights at these weights...fine by me as long as the best fight the best.

But again, I think it is going to be a riot to see the hypocrisy.
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post Aug 25 2009, 06:13 PM
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QUOTE (pacco_diablo @ Aug 25 2009, 02:52 PM) *
Paul Williams is the real deal. The sceptics will see that soon enough. He's one of the few fighters who will fight ANYONE within reason and it appears now out of reason. Williams has no business thinking 170 yet he's thinking about it. How could you not respect a fighter like that? He's not a showboater, not a complainer, or an excuse maker. He seems like a solid dude.

This is the part I dont get. People have favorite fighters and that makes them nuthuggers? A small percentage of people on here are flat out assholes. Just rotten jerks. If you dont agree with them they convert to childish name calling because I guess it makes them feel better. Cha Please! I guess that's just life though. They world has to have a certain amount of bitter pricks. It's beyond their control.


I am waiting to see. There is no possible way to know if he is the real deal yet. Sorry, but his last couple of opponents do not convince me yet. Remember everyone hyping Ortiz as the next great thing? Paul realistically needs some better comp to see what he is really made of. But I have seen lots of improvement from him each time out.

I love PW attitude, he is a real fighter. And I love the fact he seems willing to prove he is as good as he says. Time will tell.
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post Aug 25 2009, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE (JD @ Aug 25 2009, 07:08 PM) *
LOL. Ok...

If all these guys want these fights, have at it. Personally I have zero interest in Hopkins - Williams, and would prefer Hopkins - Adamek. I have zero interest in Mayweather - Marquez and would prefer Mosley - Mayweather.

I do have an interest on Cotto - Pacquiao though, terrific fight in my view.

That said, if these guys want the fights at these weights...fine by me as long as the best fight the best.

But again, I think it is going to be a riot to see the hypocrisy.

I agree... If the fighters want to make these fights then fuck it. Let's do it.

I have no problem with Cotto-Pacquaio (should be a great fight, for as long as it lasts.) But don't sit there and bitch and complain about making the fight for the welterweight championship and not even fight at the limit. That is plain silly!

Take Hopkins for example. when he moved up to fight Tarver for the Light Heavyweight title, he didn't say "Hey Look, I want you're title but I don't want to fight at you're weight. Let's fight a 172 for a 175lb title." FUCK THAT. If you want the title then move the fuck up and fight for the title. If PWill wants to fight Hopkins at 170 (where Hopkins has fought his last 2 fights) then fine. Make the fight. But the first time I hear PWill demand this fight be for the light Heavyweight title, then I'll call his bluff.
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post Aug 25 2009, 07:54 PM
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Cotto weighed 146 for Clottey, I really do not see the pound as an issue.

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post Aug 25 2009, 08:04 PM
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QUOTE (Fitz @ Aug 25 2009, 08:55 PM) *
Well maybe, maybe not. If it isn't an issue, why is Pacquiao so intent on having it?


Because Cotto really wanted this fight and said 145 in the beginning. So that was the number they agreed upon. When Cotto said 145 from jump there was no reason not to hold him to it. If Cotto said 143, I am sure they would have taken that. Roach tried for more but in the end, Pacquiao didn't care and the fight got done at a weight they were both fine with.

Williams fighting Hopkins at 168 or 170 is no different, and if both guys agree upon it...have at it, it's their choice.

Just as long as the best fight the best.
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post Aug 26 2009, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE (JD @ Aug 25 2009, 08:54 PM) *
Cotto weighed 146 for Clottey, I really do not see the pound as an issue.


I think it could bother him slightly. He has put on a tremendous amount of muscle mass - look at his legs. 144 would have been a bigger issue.

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