[Douchebag]

So let me ask you this. What is more embarrassing

Sylvia getting knocked out by a former elite and tough as nails boxer Ray Mercer in a fight where he had been provoked in the lead up to make it more of a boxing match

Or the same former elite tough as nails boxer getting his ass handed to him in a MMA fight against a glorified street brawler in Kimbo Slice?

I would have to say the latter but in the same breathe how is Kimbo supposed to hold a "W" over a guy that now holds KO "w" over the former undisputed UFC heavyweight champ. I don't know what point you're trying to make but it seems to me that you are actually helping my argument. Which is why I told sandy panties that he was better off not mentioning Ray Mercer in his post.

Kimbo is only in the ultimate fighter reality show because he has some notoriety in his youtube extravaganzas. He is a sideshow act to make the show interesting

I agree, BUT you don't see that nonsense in boxing, you have to have some skill or just be very talented in order make any kind of impact in boxing. That is my only point.

What i will say about boxing is that it is more refined than MMA simply because it is a simpler art. Far fewer tools and strategies to master, and so in order to distinguish yourself you must be very very good at these specific skills. Less to learn means more time to polish

MMA hasnt been around as long in terms of these modern ppv events, and definitely the all round skills are less polished than boxing. But that is only due to the fact that they have many more skills to master, and less time to devote to one aspect of the game. At the end of the day though, the diversity of skills required for MMA as opposed to boxing is like comparing chess to checkers.

I agree with every thing you said except the chess to checkers comparison. I would rather be a master of one trade that be average at many and that is what you find a lot of times in MMA. To be true Master Boxer requires just as much mental fortitude as being an elite athlete in MMA it is just concentrated within the boxing discipline. There are defensive and offensive variables that can't be applied within MMA just because of the nature the sports so it has to cut both ways.

[Douchebag]

I'm not going to sit here playing semantics with a specimen such as yourself.

Yet that is EXACTLY what did in the rest of this post. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes_anim.gif)

With moronic douchebags. There were NO true MMA fans who thought Kimbo was legit. Ever. It was guys like you and streetlion supporting him.

Those douchebags are the ones are buying these PPV and making MMA as profitable as it is. I never said that the people who supported Kimbo and the likes where knowledgeable and I really don't know why you would think that was relevant.

You don't know what you're talking about, do you? Niche quality? What the fuck does that even mean? Every sport has it's "niche" athletes. Some talented, some not. MMA is no exception.

OK Bradley, let me dumb it down for you. Some guys like Kimbo can build his buzz through the internet and transfer that over right into MMA and be profitable. Brock did it through the WWE and right away he is profitable. This is what I meant with niche quality but I will go one step below those guy and talk a little about your boys in Pride, like Bob "The big bitch" Sapp he brought people in because of his size, same with Hong Man Choi. These guys are sideshows but they can still make a career for themselves in MMA, you just don't see that in boxing (Valuev being the exception and for him to do he has to be guarded like fort knox and hold a strap). I like both sports for different reasons and both have their strengths and weaknesses, but boxing does require a higher level of skill on order for you to make a career out of it.

Mercer also got choked out by Kimbo Slice, the same guy who got KO'd by the jab of a legit 205lber. Sport's math doesn't add up, Einstein. It's simply the last resort for someone who is speaking out of his/her ass, with no substantial facts to back them up.

I know it doesn't add up Hawk jr., and I never implied that it did BUT there is no way that you would see the 2008 Olympian Dimitrius Andrade with a KO win over Verno Phillips. It just won't happen in boxing.

And anyway, shouldn't you be training for your street fight with Joe Calzaghe, tough guy? Or are you just so bad-ass that you can play on the internet all day and still whoop a professional boxer's ass by night?

SMH at the thought of training for a streetfight, doofus. LOL

This post has been edited by The Conscience: Sep 13 2009, 06:23 PM

[JonnyBlaze]

I actually thought the interview was funny! Dana white is constantly talking about how MMA is taking over , I mean finally one of the boxing voices speaks up!
And to be honest some of what arum said I agree with him,MMA fighters act like their better than Boxers in reality they don't have the skill to be a Boxer it takes years of dedication ! MMA you can go in the gym for 6 months and be a Pro! So I see where Arum and Mayweather come from when they speak about it ! I love boxing and I also watch mma at times just to see someone get knocked out and ground shit is boring imo !

Completely agree with you and Arum..

[Thegreatequalize...]

bob arum is definitely not who i'd like to see stepping up for boxing. i would like to see someone intelligent take up the cause. arum was throwing around stereotypes and slurs like a ignorant skinhead himself.

[Warlord]

Yet that is EXACTLY what did in the rest of this post. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes_anim.gif)



Those douchebags are the ones are buying these PPV and making MMA as profitable as it is. I never said that the people who supported Kimbo and the likes where knowledgeable and I really don't know why you would think that was relevant.




OK Bradley, let me dumb it down for you. Some guys like Kimbo can build his buzz through the internet and transfer that over right into MMA and be profitable. Brock did it through the WWE and right away he is profitable. This is what I meant with niche quality but I will go one step below those guy and talk a little about your boys in Pride, like Bob "The big bitch" Sapp he brought people in because of his size, same with Hong Man Choi. These guys are sideshows but they can still make a career for themselves in MMA, you just don't see that in boxing (Valuev being the exception and for him to do he has to be guarded like fort knox and hold a strap). I like both sports for different reasons and both have their strengths and weaknesses, but boxing does require a higher level of skill on order for you to make a career out of it.





I know it doesn't add up Hawk jr., and I never implied that it did BUT there is no way that you would see the 2008 Olympian Dimitrius Andrade with a KO win over Verno Phillips. It just won't happen in boxing.



SMH at the thought of training for a streetfight, doofus. LOL

Were you born stupids, or did your mother drop you on your head? This kind of stupidity is rare.

This topic was not about skills levels of boxers or Mixed Martial Artists, so I won't waste my breath replying to your hackneyed response for that.

My original point was that Dana White doesn't shit on boxing, just boxing politics. Bob Arum shitting on the sport of MMA was ridiculous. Now, you can either debate that or STFU. My brain cells die every time I elect to drop down to your level for a "conversation."

[Mean Mister Must...]

Completely agree with you and Arum..

You completely agree with everything Arum said?

[STEVENSKI]

Completely agree with you and Arum..

Very suprised that you agree with Bob & his overt genralisations.

[JonnyBlaze]

You completely agree with everything Arum said?

I didn't like the stereotypes he was saying or the skinhead talk since it isn't true..I know black people and mexicans who like MMA..I know black people at my gym who do MMA so for him to say only skinheads and people with a lot of tattoos is wrong..I was in a hurry in my last post but glad you guys brought it up and had me clear up some things..

Yet,I also believe that MMA guys don't know how to punch..When I hear people say Chuck Liddell would KO any boxer,it makes me wonder what some people are thinking(not on here but I've heard someone say this)..

[JonnyBlaze]

Sterotyping fans is not right..Bullshit..I agree with Provo and what Arum said about how boxing involves more skill..It's my opinion..I think MMA involves skill but is not an art like boxing..To me,boxing is like a dance..MMA is not graceful like boxing to me..

[STEVENSKI]

Yet,I also believe that MMA guys don't know how to punch..When I hear people say Chuck Liddell would KO any boxer,it makes me wonder what some people are thinking(not on here but I've heard someone say this)..

Anyone who says that about Chuck is delusional but plenty of MMA guys know how to punch. The difference is that they have to worry about defending a takedown or submission at the same time so their footwork is a more splayed defensive style so they are not as "set" to punch as a boxer would be.

It is interesting to note that the kickboxers who transfer to boxing usually end up being big punchers like Paul Briggs & it is also funny to note how they scored most of their KO's with punches in kickboxing.