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post Sep 20 2009, 02:02 AM
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make the fukin fight.
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post Sep 21 2009, 12:27 AM
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I see people comparing Cotto/Mosley to what Mosley/Mayweather would look like. If Mosley couldnt beat Cotto, then he cant beat a faster better boxer in Mayweather... Bullshit he cant!! Mosley had to respect Cottos power. He wont have to respect Mayweathers power. Mosley can be as offensive as he wants and will outwork mayweather who'll be retreating all night. If mayweather eventuall stands his ground, which is uncharacteristic of him, he will get blasted out.
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post Sep 21 2009, 01:54 PM
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QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Sep 21 2009, 12:27 AM) *
If mayweather eventuall stands his ground, which is uncharacteristic of him, he will get blasted out.


I think we know Floyd won't be standing his ground or anything close to it.

The bottom line is that Floyd is too fast for Mosley and Floyd will stay outside and do exactly enough to win each round.
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post Sep 23 2009, 11:49 AM
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QUOTE (salvador @ Sep 21 2009, 02:54 PM) *
I think we know Floyd won't be standing his ground or anything close to it.

The bottom line is that Floyd is too fast for Mosley and Floyd will stay outside and do exactly enough to win each round.


Ehhhh - I think you are underestimating Mosley quite badly. If he has the right strategy, he isn't going to stand on the outside and try to out jab PBF. At least, he won't do it for long. PBF can be hit to the body and all it takes is a few of Mosley's shots to have a big impact - look at his fight with Cotto. He wailed on his body and it certainly had an effect. DLH was able to steal rounds off PBF while being countered in the face, but all the while coming forward; you really think Mosley won't be able to at least do THAT? Floyd will have to land at a significant disparity to win a fight against Mosley going backwards IMHO. Right or wrong, I don't think the judges will score the fight for him. Some of his counters are so quick that they can't see them, and many of them probably think punches he rolls actually land.
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post Sep 23 2009, 12:52 PM
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QUOTE (singletrack @ Sep 23 2009, 11:49 AM) *
Ehhhh - I think you are underestimating Mosley quite badly. If he has the right strategy, he isn't going to stand on the outside and try to out jab PBF. At least, he won't do it for long. PBF can be hit to the body and all it takes is a few of Mosley's shots to have a big impact - look at his fight with Cotto. He wailed on his body and it certainly had an effect. DLH was able to steal rounds off PBF while being countered in the face, but all the while coming forward; you really think Mosley won't be able to at least do THAT? Floyd will have to land at a significant disparity to win a fight against Mosley going backwards IMHO. Right or wrong, I don't think the judges will score the fight for him. Some of his counters are so quick that they can't see them, and many of them probably think punches he rolls actually land.


I'm not underestimating Mosley, but he is 38 and Floyd is definitely the faster and more coordinated man. And as much as Shane's aggressive style worked against guys like Marg and Cotto, Floyd ain't going to be there to be hit to the body. Further, I'd argue that Shane's style is a good one for Floyd because Floyd can play his natural role of counterpuncher all night.

Obviously Shane will be throwing heavier punches (I seriously don't believe that Floyd will plant his feet all night unless he's got a totally wide open counter shot), but Floyd will be throwing quicker, more accurate punches. And given the speed difference, I just think that Floyd is the smart bet from every angle.



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post Sep 23 2009, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE (salvador @ Sep 23 2009, 01:52 PM) *
I'm not underestimating Mosley, but he is 38 and Floyd is definitely the faster and more coordinated man. And as much as Shane's aggressive style worked against guys like Marg and Cotto, Floyd ain't going to be there to be hit to the body. Further, I'd argue that Shane's style is a good one for Floyd because Floyd can play his natural role of counterpuncher all night.

Obviously Shane will be throwing heavier punches (I seriously don't believe that Floyd will plant his feet all night unless he's got a totally wide open counter shot), but Floyd will be throwing quicker, more accurate punches. And given the speed difference, I just think that Floyd is the smart bet from every angle.


Did he look 38 to you in the Margarita fight? I thought it was arguably his best performance ever.

As for not getting hit to the body, DLH was able to close in on the ropes but then went head hunting. This lead to roll after roll and counter after counter. Mosley and Cotto will go to the body. Even if Floyd blocks the shots with his elbows, they will still inflict significant damage. Mosley will represent the biggest, strongest, and fastest opponent Floyd has ever faced. To just say that Floyd is going to avoid everything and counterpunch seems shortsighted IMO. The only way that happens is if Floyd keeps the fight on the outside ALL NIGHT, and I just can't see how that's possible.

I would certainly make Floyd the favorite, but not by much.

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post Sep 23 2009, 03:54 PM
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QUOTE (singletrack @ Sep 23 2009, 02:05 PM) *
Did he look 38 to you in the Margarita fight? I thought it was arguably his best performance ever.

As for not getting hit to the body, DLH was able to close in on the ropes but then went head hunting. This lead to roll after roll and counter after counter. Mosley and Cotto will go to the body. Even if Floyd blocks the shots with his elbows, they will still inflict significant damage. Mosley will represent the biggest, strongest, and fastest opponent Floyd has ever faced. To just say that Floyd is going to avoid everything and counterpunch seems shortsighted IMO. The only way that happens is if Floyd keeps the fight on the outside ALL NIGHT, and I just can't see how that's possible.

I would certainly make Floyd the favorite, but not by much.


There's no doubt that the Marg fight was his high water mark, but Marg's style was so different than Floyd's it's almost an irrelevant comparison. Marg could be hit and Marg was slow. Mosley's greatest asset in that fight was his bravery, his game plan, and his willingness to get inside with the bigger stronger man and his ability to avoid getting hit.

Floyd is extremely difficult to hit, is fast as hell, and has the best footwork in the game. Where Marg was open after he'd swing for the fences, Floyd will let Shane come to him and will throw short accurate shots and get out of there asap without ever putting himself in harm's way. I can see Shane landing a fair amount to the body and a few head shots, I just see Floyd landing counters every time Shane comes in. Floyd won't dominate any round, but he won't lose many either.
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