[Keith]

It proves that you can't judge Martinez off what he did 10 years ago... I'm not saying that Pavlik will lose this fight but I don't see how people are overrating Martinez and underrating Pavlik.

Ya man, I see your point about that but.... I dont think your chin changes all that much.

As you said "Margarito beat his ass" and was ko'd in 7 rounds. While I would hesitate to call Martinez a glass jaw type of fighter, I think its important to understand that Martinez can be broke and ko'd by a guy who is a slow, flat footed fighter. That fight WAS a long time ago but just recently PWill knocked him down as well. PWill punches hurt him and I really dont think PWill is a big puncher at 160.

People act like PWill is this big mover and shaker. He's not. He stands and front of his opponents and lets his hands go. The only thing thats really moving on PWill is his hands and arms. Martinez was the mover and shaker in that fight. I think we are looking at a similar fight against Pavlik, except Martinez will not be able to handle Pavlik power.

[Big Slim Sweet]

While I would hesitate to call Martinez a glass jaw type of fighter, I think its important to understand that Martinez can be broke and ko'd by a guy who is a slow, flat footed fighter.

That's worth noting for sure.

[King Eugene]

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[Keith]

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Overrated kd. It was a nice hard punch but its based on Cintron being a pussy and an idiot.

[Douchebag]

Overrated kd. It was a nice hard punch but its based on Cintron being a pussy and an idiot.

He hit Cintron so hard, he thought is was a head butt. Let's not forget that Martinez also put PWill on his ass, PWill have a very good chin.

[King Eugene]

I remember watching that fight. He hit Cintron so damn hard that he had a delayed reaction responding to the pain!

[Keith]

He hit Cintron so hard, he thought is was a head butt. Let's not forget that Martinez also put PWill on his ass, PWill have a very good chin.

I'm not denying that the punch hurt Cintron. I am suggesting that Cintron believed it was a headbutt and acted as such. He could have stayed on his feet, he kind of gave up and took a knee because he's an idiot and a pussy. And the whole deal about him being counted out was retarted. Yes, he should have been counted out because he failed to get off his knee but he clearly could have. The dumbass sat there and talked to the ref while he was counting if I remember correctly.

And yes, clearly Sergio can hurt welters. He has very good power against welters. You can argue that point, but both Cintron and PWill claim they are welters. Kelly Pavlik would have to cut off his right arm to make 147.