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[lloyd mayflower]

Although I dont follow UFC as much as I used to, myself and a mate at work were discussing the other day, how the champions in each division seem to be so far ahead of everyone else. Penn, GSP and Silva are completely dominant in their respective divisions, and altho i consider Machida and Lesnar to be slightly weaker than the first 3, but they still have to be beaten, and im left scratching my head as to who will do it (Although I am aware Warlord is convinced its already been done by Shogun).

The best I can offer is that I think Anderson could beat Machida, nbt since they wont fight eachother, where is the end of the current dominance of the divisions going to come from?

Thoughts???

[RyanTical]

Lyoto Machida and Shogun Rua would disagree.


GSP would be fighting above his own weight-class in that fight.


Hyperbole. Shogun Rua takes Anderson down and mauls him on the ground. I think you should do back and watch some old Pride fights to get a better picture of Shogun Rua, and Anderson Silva.


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Really? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) He's done more, and has a better track record than, Lyoto Machida. Again, check out some old Pride shit. I think SpikeTV is airing their "Best of..." series in order to help new fans get up to speed.


I expect Carwin to win that fight. His stand-up is superior, and he has a good ground-game as well. It sounds as if you've bought the UFC hype machine. Don't.

1. Well, I thought Lyoto beat Shogun. To each their own. Griffin defeated Rampage BECAUSE OF leg kicks. If Shogun defeating Lyoto on solely leg kicks is your argument then I suggest the UFC give Rampage his belt back so we can start over.

2. And no, Anderson said he would take the trip down to 170 to challenge GSP. GSP fighting at 185 is too much for a guy like him. He's bigger than most Welters, yet too small for Middles. It's already been made mention.

3. Anderson would decimate any fighter coming in at him — watch any of his UFC fights as proof. Shogun is no exception, neither is Vitor. And if you want to use PRIDE fights as your only evidence — then I suggest you consider the essence of time. Look at where Shogun was in PRIDE to where he was when he fought in the UFC his first time and how long it took him to get back to his winning ways. Case closed. And the Anderson of PRIDE paled in comparison to the Brazilian wrecking machine we know of today. You're trying to tell me Ryo Chonan could catch him in that same Scissor-inverted Heel Hook he did back in the day; now? HA! ...Plus many could make the argument that Shogun was juicing in PRIDE as well as most of his fights were fixed.

4. True, Carwin's stand-up is superior, but Carwin has been rocked in the past nor has he ever been taken down by a man of Lesnar size and/or agility. Will Carwin pull a Frank Mir win on Lesnar? ...Possibly, but it's highly unlikely. And nobody is buying the UFC hype machine, I am buying that Lesnar is beyond any MMA heavyweight than we've seen next to Fedor Emelianenko and Alistair Overeem. I say Overeem because the man's stand-up is beastly, not Ray Sefo beastly, but pretty damn beastly for MMA standards.

[Warlord]

1. Well, I thought Lyoto beat Shogun. To each their own. Griffin defeated Rampage BECAUSE OF leg kicks. If Shogun defeating Lyoto on solely leg kicks is your argument then I suggest the UFC give Rampage his belt back so we can start over.

Your argument makes no sense. Griffin beat Rampage with leg kicks to win the title. Shogun earned his victory in a much clearer fashion. Which rounds, pray tell, did you give Lyoto?

Nearly every fan, every fighter, and every major news outlet, in addition to most experts on the sport, ALL gave Shogun the victory. Dana White HIMSELF said Shogun won that fight. But yeah, a few nuthuggers suddenly know this sport better. Right.

2. And no, Anderson said he would take the trip down to 170 to challenge GSP. GSP fighting at 185 is too much for a guy like him. He's bigger than most Welters, yet too small for Middles. It's already been made mention.

By Silva himself, who is full of shit. He'll never drop down to fight GSP, and he's a coward if he does. Real fighters move up in weight when they want a challenge, not down.

3. Anderson would decimate any fighter coming in at him — watch any of his UFC fights as proof.

He's fought cans, with the exception of MAYBE Dan Henderson, though Hendo was 812 years old when he fought Silva.

Shogun is no exception, neither is Vitor. And if you want to use PRIDE fights as your only evidence — then I suggest you consider the essence of time. Look at where Shogun was in PRIDE to where he was when he fought in the UFC his first time and how long it took him to get back to his winning ways. Case closed. And the Anderson of PRIDE paled in comparison to the Brazilian wrecking machine we know of today. You're trying to tell me Ryo Chonan could catch him in that same Scissor-inverted Heel Hook he did back in the day; now? HA! ...Plus many could make the argument that Shogun was juicing in PRIDE as well as most of his fights were fixed.

Shogun's never tested positive for steroids, so unless you've got any proof, its just you shitting out your mouth like a typical TUF noob. And what fight, pray tell, would you even SUSPECT of being fixed? You're a fucking joke.

4. True, Carwin's stand-up is superior, but Carwin has been rocked in the past nor has he ever been taken down by a man of Lesnar size and/or agility. Will Carwin pull a Frank Mir win on Lesnar? ...Possibly, but it's highly unlikely. And nobody is buying the UFC hype machine, I am buying that Lesnar is beyond any MMA heavyweight than we've seen next to Fedor Emelianenko and Alistair Overeem. I say Overeem because the man's stand-up is beastly, not Ray Sefo beastly, but pretty damn beastly for MMA standards.

We'll see how "beyond any MMA heavyweight" Lesnar is after he faces Carwin.

A prime Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira would've murdered Crock Lesnar.