[JLUVBABY]

Floyd beats Whitaker's coke head ass... and a Prime Mosley has a shot against his dope fiend ass as well.. all the other even on coke Whitaker could handle... except Pac would give Crackhead a hard time too...

how much of whitaker have you actually seen? the man was damn near untouchable... defensive wizard...

[neophyte7]

His defense was tremendous...I give him that, But Floy'ds defense is just as good if not better and PBF punches with more of an arsenal of punches. The light hitting Coke head would lose to Mayweather...

[Lil-lightsout]

His defense was tremendous...I give him that, But Floy'ds defense is just as good if not better and PBF punches with more of an arsenal of punches. The light hitting Coke head would lose to Mayweather...

I would favor Whitaker slightly over PBF at both there bests. You sound a little harsh towards Pernell by your insults, so your views seem pretty biased. I have seen over just about every Whitaker and Mayweather fights they ever had too. I seen 100% of all there televised fights.

Also about a Chavez-Mayweather fight. Let me remind a few of you guys that are picking Mayweather or saying he would beat Chavez fairly easily. I am not judging anyone, but any of you guys seen Chavez at his peak? I mean Floyd in his prime should have lost to Castillo in the first fight, and Castillo was very competitive in the second fight. Castillo was a sparring partner for Chavez. I would easily pick Chavez to batter PBF with his body punches and pressure that Castillo was so effective with. See, PBF does not hit hard enough and could not keep Castillo off him, he even had trouble keeping Hatton off him. Now imagine with Chavez' chin, stamina, body punching, and pressure what he would do to Floyd? No doubt Chavez by late stoppage.

[neophyte7]

dude Chavez would be bleeding like a stuck pig... he would get cut to shreds... He is too one dimensional and a face fighter.. This is aint Meldrick Taylor this is PBF. Castillo I is mentioned again ... he lost and Floyd was hurt.. in the rematch he came back to the corner in between rounds shaking his head and admitted that PBF's style was difficult. Now back to P whitaker... I am just clowning around saying he was a coke head etc... because I see him now and he looks and speaks like a 125th street dope fiend... Last year I WAS IN harlem at at&t and I see Meldrick Taylor walk in to pay his cell phone bill... dude looked like straight up fiend... I felt sorry for him. I acknowledged him...

about 10 years ago in a bar in manhattan I saw Renaldo Snipes drinking his sorrows away.. I kicked it with him and his eyes lit up to be recognized...

Any way P whitaker great no doubt- but I think PBF is better overall in every category

[Keith]

Also about a Chavez-Mayweather fight. Let me remind a few of you guys that are picking Mayweather or saying he would beat Chavez fairly easily. I am not judging anyone, but any of you guys seen Chavez at his peak?

I would say the Chavez that entered the ring against M. Taylor was peak. Agree?

I mean Floyd in his prime should have lost to Castillo in the first fight, and Castillo was very competitive in the second fight.

I would disagree. Floyd was not at his peak against Castillo. He was close, but I think physically and experience/skill development his prime occured at 140-47 before the psuedo retirement. Whatever the reason, its too bad that Floyd spent that time fighting bums.

On the other hand, that was the prime version of Castillo and Floyd still beat him... twice. I have no problem with people who believe Castillo won the first fight, but it was not a hands down clear victory and ultimately the judges saw it the other way.

I would easily pick Chavez to batter PBF with his body punches and pressure that Castillo was so effective with. See, PBF does not hit hard enough and could not keep Castillo off him, he even had trouble keeping Hatton off him.

Certainly Chavez would pressure Floyd, but I think its a bit of an exageration to say he could not keep Castillo or Hatton off of him. Floyd was never seriously hurt by Castillo. Castillo fought him well but he never really got to Floyd... there was never any desperation on Floyds part in those 2 fights.

And there was never anything effective about Hattons pressure. If anything, that fight showed that Floyd could effectively tie up and clinch a fighter who tried to mug him.

Now imagine with Chavez' chin, stamina, body punching, and pressure what he would do to Floyd? No doubt Chavez by late stoppage.

There are 3 fights I looked at when I determined Chavez would not be competetive against Floyd. Meldrick Taylor's speed gave Chavez serious problems, Chavez found it incredibley difficult to hit Whitaker, and Chavez had an awful time with DLH's jab (I admit Chavez was past his peak there). Floyd has similar hand/foot speed to Taylor, is tough to hit clean like Whitaker, and has an effective jab like DLH.

I usually come off as a Floyd hater, but the dude has sick skills that match-up against Chavez pretty well imo.

This post might get my Haters license revoked. Satan please help me... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/diablo.gif)

[Mean Mister Must...]

Mayweather did certain things in the Castillo fights that indicated that he was having a herder time than usual. For example in both fights he spent the 12th round running. Did he think he had the fight won or was he out of gas and refuse to get into an exchange with Castillo?

Also in the 1st fight he stopped running in the 11th and actually stood toe to toe with Castillo. He was trying to make a statement to Castillo and leave an imprint in the fight by trying to outfight him. He got the worst of it.

Now Chavez had as good a chin as Castillo, tremendous stamina like Castillo, shifty deceptively good defense, hevy hands, heart but also faster hands than Castillo, more activity and smarter. Castillo was a very good fighter, Chavez was a great one. If Mayweather beats him you better believe he would go through hell to do it. Taylor was outboxing Chavez but he was doing it by throwing non stop to and in the end he still took the harder shots and was stopped. Mayweather would not throw punches at the rate that Taylor was, he would be sticking and moving with better defense but that would only make Chavez follow him faster.

Moreover Chavez only started bleeding like a stuck pig when he got old and started taking more punches. In his prime he wasn't cut that much.

On to Whitaker. Sure he was not Tyson, but the man could throw with gusto and always got the respect of the guys he fought.

[neophyte7]

I disagree with your assessment of Castillo getting the best of mayweather in the 11th round. It was that round in my eyes which made a statement to Castillo as he stood fought and clearly landed the cleaner more telling blows... what damage did Castillo inflict?

This post has been edited by neophyte7: Mar 20 2010, 01:36 PM

[Mean Mister Must...]

I disagree with your assessment of Castillo getting the best of mayweather in the 11th round. It was that round in my eyes which made a statement to Castillo as he stood fought and clearly landed the cleaner more telling blows... what damage did Castillo inflict?

You think Mayweather wasn't damaged? You think those body shots he absorbed throughout the night did no damage?

[neophyte7]

Just as was mentioned early... Floyd never appeared hurt in the bout. When he went to to toe with Castillo he landed hard telling blows- to his head. The bloody nose Castillo sported made it obvious.

[kidbazooka1]

dude Chavez would be bleeding like a stuck pig... he would get cut to shreds... He is too one dimensional and a face fighter.. This is aint Meldrick Taylor this is PBF. Castillo I is mentioned again ... he lost and Floyd was hurt.. in the rematch he came back to the corner in between rounds shaking his head and admitted that PBF's style was difficult. Now back to P whitaker... I am just clowning around saying he was a coke head etc... because I see him now and he looks and speaks like a 125th street dope fiend... Last year I WAS IN harlem at at&t and I see Meldrick Taylor walk in to pay his cell phone bill... dude looked like straight up fiend... I felt sorry for him. I acknowledged him...

Thats how i know you haven't seen much of Chavez in his prime because if you did you would know that the guy never cut nor bruised he was known for having very thick skin.

Your obviousley judgeing Chavez by his perfromances against DLH, Gonzales and Tyszu that was an over the hill Chavez who was fighting on memeory he was done by the time those guys got to him a prime JCC would have beaten the sh*t out of those guys.

Very sad though that most young fans only remember the ageing Chavez not the guy was who a master at cutting of the ring, the best bodypuncher in the game, iron chin, exceptional stamina and beautifully controlled agression Chavez.