[Jack 1000]

Any time I see a fighter blinking and squinting and/or genuinely confused and disoriented at a point where one would normally be regaining their lucidity, I'm very concerned.

Think of Gerald McClellan.

Think of Randie Carver.

Last night when Dirrell was that confused MINUTES after the incident, plus the twitching on the ground, the eyes, everything... I was very concerned. Just glad that he appears to be okay.

Faking? Hardly. He's not that good of an actor. The best actor that boxing has ever produced is Tex Cobb and that's saying something.

Great post! And I just had a discussion pointing out that if the ref had said, "You're faking" and if Direll had died or even lapsed into a coma, the officials could be held criminally responsible with the potential from a contributory negligence lawsuit. The safety of the fighter, especially in this day and age, has to be a top priority. And let's keep in mind that it was Abraham who started all of this by throwing a blatantly illegal punch. The rules say you can't hit a guy when he's down.

And than I asked, "OK, if you are the ref What do you do in Direll's situation like this?" The consequences and implications of Abraham throwing an illegal punch are more important than whether or not Direll may have faked or exaggerated his injuries.

Jack

[The CEO]

on a side note, what is all this childish u.s. vs euro stuff? does anyone here really care about that? personally if i like a fighter i don't care where he's from and i'm not going to cheer for some douchebag just because he's from the u.s.

Correct, i'm sick of repeating it, but heres some examples. I like Hatton and Mosely, hate Khan and Mayweather.

As far as colours go, Heres mine, note the lack of any euro'ness

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But seriously, I dont understand why this U.S perpetuated rivalry continues. Specially considering our colours are stained with the blood of troops fighting alongside you in your illegal wars

First off...don't take what I say personal, guys....I'm not calling you out...I'm not calling Maxy out.

I'm talkin' Boxing...frankly...how it is.


You say you haven't seen what I was talkin' about out there on the other forums, Lloyd...and if you ever do, I'd like to think you'd fess up and say it's NOT U.S. perpetuated....because that's not the case...we normally don't start it...we finish it.

There IS no rivalry....there IS no competition....the problem here is that there's a SHIT TON of Nationalistic assholes from around your way who have the audacity to say their top fighters are better than America's top fighters....while throughout modern Boxing History, it has been proven over and over and over and over again that fighters from across the ocean are generally and genuinely not in American fighters' league.

and regardless of there being any of those types here or not, equalizer, just doesn't matter...this Garbage Fanism EXISTS...they are reading this board...and there's guys like me who remind them of where they REALLY stand...with each schooling and each victory over them by our B TEAM fighters, I am smacking them in the motherfuckin' face with Reality.

Basically...and I know this might get some backlash....with some exceptions here and there (i.e. The Klits, a couple of Asian fighters, an African or 2 maybe)....when it comes to Boxing, the ENTIRE Eastern Hemisphere is basically NOTHING compared to America, by ITSELF.

That's nothin' but The Truth.

but these garbage fans I speak of still don't get it...they never will...because they refuse to bow down....they refuse to believe that America OWNS Boxing, and their region or whatever is a tertiary Boxing nation....you see....I'm just tryin' to help set them free...that Pride is fuckin' with them....they'd feel so much better if they accepted it...they'd be better Boxing Fans if they accept it.

Like I said...this is nothing personal...it just HAS to be pointed out...because their bullshit continues out there even as I type this...

[lloyd mayflower]

Well I guess thats fair enough. I guess im just privileged to have stumbled upon a board where the garbage fanism doesnt exist. But the U.S isnt anything special to me, its just exactly where it should be in terms of money, populus and interest in the sport. As European football teams are when it somes to soccer. I dont think its really that big of a deal and I definitely wouldnt claim that Euros are better than Americans because i couldnt qualify it.

What annoys me is the Team America stuff. A good example, I dont know if you watch golf, but the Ryder Cup traditionally has a bit of needle, and during Gulf War 1 the American team and fans were running around hollering about Desert Storm, get on board you pussies, all that shit. That sort of carry on rubs people up the wrong way. I dont think its too bad on this board, but as sure as the Euro fanboy's are out there, so are the ignorant ass American ones

[The CEO]

Well I guess thats fair enough. I guess im just privileged to have stumbled upon a board where the garbage fanism doesnt exist. But the U.S isnt anything special to me, its just exactly where it should be in terms of money, populus and interest in the sport. As European football teams are when it somes to soccer. I dont think its really that big of a deal and I definitely wouldnt claim that Euros are better than Americans because i couldnt qualify it.

What annoys me is the Team America stuff. A good example, I dont know if you watch golf, but the Ryder Cup traditionally has a bit of needle, and during Gulf War 1 the American team and fans were running around hollering about Desert Storm, get on board you pussies, all that shit. That sort of carry on rubs people up the wrong way. I dont think its too bad on this board, but as sure as the Euro fanboy's are out there, so are the ignorant ass American ones

Yes...we're VERY lucky that shit virtually doesn't exist amongst our regulars...but it won't last forever...they will come eventually...lol

I'm very glad you're not one of them and am privileged to know you...

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Going on...there ARE guys who passionately go "USA #1!!!1" at everything unprovoked sure...these are the ones who probably picked Taylor over Abraham without a blink of the eye....they're garbage fans too.

I'm familiar with The Ryder Cup...which is funny...this tournament was billed to be just that by Sauerland and them...they were the ones who stressed the USA-Euro Angle...because they really thought they were gonna steamroll America's green talent...(IMG:style_emoticons/default/haha.gif)

It's backfired on them BIG TIME.

[enigma1969]

Yes...we're VERY lucky that shit virtually doesn't exist amongst our regulars...but it won't last forever...they will come eventually...lol

I'm very glad you're not one of them and am privileged to know you...

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Going on...there ARE guys who passionately go "USA #1!!!1" at everything unprovoked sure...these are the ones who probably picked Taylor over Abraham without a blink of the eye....they're garbage fans too.

I'm familiar with The Ryder Cup...which is funny...this tournament was billed to be just that by Sauerland and them...they were the ones who stressed the USA-Euro Angle...because they really thought they were gonna steamroll America's green talent...(IMG:style_emoticons/default/haha.gif)

It's backfired on them BIG TIME.

I wasn't aware of that. But I guess that kind of talk is a way if hyping the fight and generating buzz.

[enigma1969]

Here are the general rules that are the guidelines for a ref for fouls:

1.) It is illegal to hit a fighter when he is down.

2.) If the ref determines the hit to be intentional and not in the heat of the moment, which can sometimes happen after a lot of punches, these are the options:

a. On an intentional foul the ref can deduct up to two points for misconduct. He may also DQ the offending fighter immediately. It is his call.

b. If the recipient of the intentional foul cannot continue the fight because of injury the offending boxer should be disqualified.

c. A ref may also consider a DQ after repeated warnings or point deductions for illegal activity.

For an unintentional or accidental foul:

a. The ref may choose to give a fighter up to five minutes to recover from the foul. If the fighter cannot continue due to an accidental foul after the five minute rest, he loses by what is called abandonment. Some commissions will go to the scorecards to determine who is the technical decision winner after four completed rounds. Before four rounds are completed, it is considered a no decision or technical draw depending on the rules of the commission.

b. On unintentional head-butts that produce a cut, unless the local commission overrides the rule in WBC title fights, the ref is supposed to take one point off of the uninjured fighter who caused the cut to neutralize the disadvantage to the fighter who was cut from the headbutt. I always hated this rule because it penalizes a fighter for being lucky that he wasn't cut. This rule does not apply in the USA or England. Other commissions have nullified it too, but I don't know which ones.

The same way that the local commission makes the call whether or not to apply 4th and 8th round Open Scoring in WBC sanctioned fights. Japan for some ungodly reason is one of the few world commissions who still use the WBC Open Scoring rule.

Jack

Thanks for the info Jack.

[Michigan Assassi...]

I just rewatched the fight and I think at no time was Dirrell in eminant danger of being knocked out.

Yes it should have been a KD in the 10th. I don't think there is any doubt about that. But I also feel the AD should have been awarded a KD in the 7th with that counter hook.

Also, back to the idea that he may have been faking it, when Jim Gray went to Dirrell's dressing room, there was no hooting and hollering or celebrating of any kind.

It really had a somber feel of a losing dressing room. I think this is because his camp was geniunely concerned for him.

[Mean Mister Must...]

I just rewatched the fight and I think at no time was Dirrell in eminant danger of being knocked out.

Yes it should have been a KD in the 10th. I don't think there is any doubt about that. But I also feel the AD should have been awarded a KD in the 7th with that counter hook.

Also, back to the idea that he may have been faking it, when Jim Gray went to Dirrell's dressing room, there was no hooting and hollering or celebrating of any kind.

It really had a somber feel of a losing dressing room. I think this is because his camp was geniunely concerned for him.

I'm concerned for him too because here's a guy who is hard to hit, frustrates the hell out of his opponents and also is prone to falling on the canvas all the time. That means that this probably won't be the last time he gets drilled after he takes a knee.

[Michigan Assassi...]

I'm concerned for him too because here's a guy who is hard to hit, frustrates the hell out of his opponents and also is prone to falling on the canvas all the time. That means that this probably won't be the last time he gets drilled after he takes a knee.

I do hate how he has a tendency to fall on the ground. More against Froch than Abraham but still.

But I will say that I don't blame him at all for the final slip. He was backing up trying to parry the jab and slipped on the ad on the canvas. This was also in AA's corner were they were drenching his head with water in between several rounds. His foot totally went out and didn't look like one of his other balance issues.

[lloyd mayflower]

I wasnt aware of Sauerlands angle either, which kinda goes towards proving my original point. Mick Hennessy didnt market it that way for Froch, just the Sauerland team whose fighters and fanbase are in mainland Europe. Maybe thats how they see things, but im not them, thats all i'm sayin. Im not aware of anyone on this board from mainland Europe, and if there is, there pretty quiet!!

And also CEO, cheers, im privileged to know you and everyone else on this board who have made it the first website I look at when im supposed to be working!