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[The CEO]

I will publish the 2 best replies in The Spotlight of the next Edition...


Question: Who was the most overrated fighter of the last decade?


Looking for strong and fairly concise explanations.....



P.S.~ Remember. This is a virtually uncensored column...so feel free to express yourself like James Toney does...lol

[BGv2.0]

Because his BS charade as a HW is getting close to a decade and by the front page of this very website every other day, which seems to show that there is no end in sight....I'm going to say James Toney!

NOW...I am in no way going to say that James Toney as a whole is overrated, we all are very aware of his accomplishments in the lighter divisions. My questioning of JT's greatness is with his career as a heavyweight.

People in the boxing community and on this site attempt to give James Toney credit as being the sole fighter than can take out the Klits and unify the HW titles......BASED ON WHAT?

This is a CLEAR case of people being blinded by a fighters former luster. Any rational person that has watched James as a HW should not be impressed....and for sure should not see him as the potential to end the dredful rule of the Twin Champs.

YET....James Toney is consistantly mentioned as the fighter to beat one or both Klits as well as Haye.

When people come to this notion....I think they are seeing fond memories of the dramatic one punch KO of Prince Charles Williams in the 12th round.....YET...they are totally forgetting much of what we have all actually seen at HW.

Here is a rundown of JT's HW career.

It started off GREAT....with a beautiful TKO of a well past his prime...yet still very able Evander Holyfield. I have to admit, this fight had me believing as well....never had I seen such a profound body attack...nor had Evander...things looked good.

Then it all went downhill.

He won a BORING UD over the little known Ridell Booker.

Recieved a UD win over the often sited WORST Champ in Ruiz, but due to steroids being found in his blood stream this fight was changed to a NC and Toney was stripped of his HW title. No matter if you think we could have won with or without drugs is not the issue. The man tested positive and was stripped and the W was taken away.

Then came the BORING UD win over the lackluster Dominick Guinn

Then came the draw with Rahman with their second fight earning JT yet another NC.

Between those fights were the two back to back losses to Sam Peter, a decent but far from spectacular HW fighter himself.

He then gets a BORING UD against Danny Bachelder, a guy that was beaten by Lance Whitiker, Lamon Brewster and a thrid guy since that fight. Bacheldor is 3-7 in last 10 fights including the Toney loss.

He then gets a controversial win over Fres Oquendo, which many believed he actually lost.

He then polishes this turd of a career even more...with FINALLY a KO win over Matthew Greer...a guy that has lost his last 3 fights, including a loss to Minto and Kevin Johnson.

So in retrospect....as a HW...James Toney's carrer record looks like this.

6-2-1-2 with 2 of those wins by KO.

If people want to believe that record is worthy of praising this guy and listing him as the last hope to rid the division of the Klits.....more power to them....but I myself can see past all of the mouthing and BS for what it is....a desparate attempt to milk $$ from a career LONG over.

In a prior thread I stated this and I'm quite proud to type it yet again. If this keeps up the one single thing that will be worthy of being at the Boxing HOF long after Toney passes will be his vocal chords. Put 'em in a big ole glass with formaldehyde and let people take it all in.

If JT's fists flew as fast as his mouth has the last 7 years.....he would be a legend in the HW division.

This post has been edited by BGv2.0: Apr 7 2010, 03:08 PM

[pcraw]

Because his BS charade as a HW is getting close to a decade and by the front page of this very website every other day, which seems to show that there is no end in sight....I'm going to say James Toney!

NOW...I am in no way going to say that James Toney as a whole is overrated, we all are very aware of his accomplishments in the lighter divisions. My questioning of JT's greatness is with his career as a heavyweight.

People in the boxing community and on this site attempt to give James Toney credit as being the sole fighter than can take out the Klits and unify the HW titles......BASED ON WHAT?

This is a CLEAR case of people being blinded by a fighters former luster. Any rational person that has watched James as a HW should not be impressed....and for sure should not see him as the potential to end the dredful rule of the Twin Champs.

YET....James Toney is consistantly mentioned as the fighter to beat one or both Klits as well as Haye.

When people come to this notion....I think they are seeing fond memories of the dramatic one punch KO of Prince Charles Williams in the 12th round.....YET...they are totally forgetting much of what we have all actually seen at HW.

Here is a rundown of JT's HW career.

It started off GREAT....with a beautiful TKO of a well past his prime...yet still very able Evander Holyfield. I have to admit, this fight had me believing as well....never had I seen such a profound body attack...nor had Evander...things looked good.

Then it all went downhill.

He won a BORING UD over the little known Ridell Booker.

Recieved a UD win over the often sited WORST Champ in Ruiz, but due to steroids being found in his blood stream this fight was changed to a NC and Toney was stripped of his HW title. No matter if you think we could have won with or without drugs is not the issue. The man tested positive and was stripped and the W was taken away.

Then came the BORING UD win over the lackluster Dominick Guinn

Then came the draw with Rahman with their second fight earning JT yet another NC.

Between those fights were the two back to back losses to Sam Peter, a decent but far from spectacular HW fighter himself.

He then gets a BORING UD against Danny Bachelder, a guy that was beaten by Lance Whitiker, Lamon Brewster and a thrid guy since that fight. Bacheldor is 3-7 in last 10 fights including the Toney loss.

He then gets a controversial win over Fres Oquendo, which many believed he actually lost.

He then polishes this turd of a career even more...with FINALLY a KO win over Matthew Greer...a guy that has lost his last 3 fights, including a loss to Minto and Kevin Johnson.

So in retrospect....as a HW...James Toney's carrer record looks like this.

6-2-1-2 with 2 of those wins by KO.

If people want to believe that record is worthy of praising this guy and listing him as the last hope to rid the division of the Klits.....more power to them....but I myself can see past all of the mouthing and BS for what it is....a desparate attempt to milk $$ from a career LONG over.

In a prior thread I stated this and I'm quite proud to type it yet again. If this keeps up the one single thing that will be worthy of being at the Boxing HOF long after Toney passes will be his vocal chords. Put 'em in a big ole glass with formaldehyde and let people take it all in.

If JT's fists flew as fast as his mouth has the last 7 years.....he would be a legend in the HW division.

First and foremost people on this website don't think Toney is the sole fighter to take the Klitschko's out, but is the sole fighter (and I actually put David Tua in there) that won't eat one Klitschko right hand and shut the fuck down. I mean what the hell did Eddie Chambers prove against Klitshcko, what did Arreola prove..how about QueenPin? The only thing they proved is that this new set of American heavyweights are straight up bitches; no other way to sugar coat it. I've seen Toney come in terrible shape and still fight a hard 12 to where these guys claim to be in the best shape mentally and physically and then check out of the fight with the first hard punch thrown. Hell Klitschko's could batter Toney around for 12 rounds all I care, but you obviously have more faith in them beating Toney than they do. I would much rather James Toney name on my resume than fucking Albert Sosnowski.

The only guy of note that Johnson had beaten to get a shot was a 50 year old Bruce Seldon. Johnson was a terrible ESPN fighter, but he gets a pass for whatever reason according to your argument. Chris Arreola's claim to a heavyweight tile shot was a huge win over Jameel McCline; hell Travis fucking Walker almost knocked Arreola out. So why are we talking about heavyweights earning shots? I would prefer to see Toney in these fights just to stir up the division. All of these fucking nice guys is more aggravating than Toney talking shit. Since we're putting records out here Ruiz was 3-3 in his last 6 going into the Haye fight with his biggest win coming over who??? You guessed it...Jameel McCline. Damn does Jameel get a cut of these guys purse for being the guy to beat to get a title shot? Hmmmm.

You say, don't count Toney's win to Ruiz because it was taken away, fair enough, but why are we saying, "Most people thought Oquendo won?" Hey Toney got the W so don't count that fight. 6-2-1-2 for a former middleweight fighting at heavyweight and no one has stopped him ain't bad opposed to what he's up against. Hell if you don't want to see Toney fight the Klitscho's for a title you gotta at least think guy's like Arreola, Chambers and QueenPin should have to go through him to get a title shot.

As to the question posed I would say Zab Judah or Sam Peter. I'm so sick of hearing, "If Zab gets his shit together he would blah blah blah..." I say Peter because I thought so many Americans hung their hat on him being the last hope and he did the unthinkable. He quit on the stool. For me that is a no no and he has never been in the light again. He's been on a crusade to wreck journeymen since the Klitschko loss; with the exception of Chambers.

This post has been edited by pcraw: Apr 7 2010, 06:44 PM