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> The way Judah could have beat Mayweather, Conservative Power Punch Accuracy
LoneRyu
post Apr 23 2010, 09:48 PM
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In the first $ rounds against Mayweather Zab was conservative but acurate with his power punches then his dad says let em go start throwing more punches. In my opinion if zabs father would have kept his mouth shut Zab could have won through patience and accuracy.
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post Apr 23 2010, 10:12 PM
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QUOTE (LoneRyu @ Apr 23 2010, 10:48 PM) *
In the first $ rounds against Mayweather Zab was conservative but acurate with his power punches then his dad says let em go start throwing more punches. In my opinion if zabs father would have kept his mouth shut Zab could have won through patience and accuracy.

I guess you didn't see the adjustments Floyd made... I'm sure that had a little to do with it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dntknw.gif)
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post Apr 23 2010, 10:18 PM
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QUOTE (D-MARV @ Apr 23 2010, 10:12 PM) *
I guess you didn't see the adjustments Floyd made... I'm sure that had a little to do with it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dntknw.gif)

A little??That's an understatement..hahaha..I know you're just fuckin around though..

Anyway,Zab had a good start but Mayweather is able to adjust to anyone in my opinion whether it's a little bit or a lot(most cases)..Sad but true..
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post Apr 23 2010, 10:33 PM
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QUOTE (D-MARV @ Apr 23 2010, 08:12 PM) *
I guess you didn't see the adjustments Floyd made... I'm sure that had a little to do with it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dntknw.gif)

i never said that. i feel that being economical i.e. intelligent with his aggression got him alot farther than angrily throwing combinations.
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post Apr 23 2010, 10:52 PM
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QUOTE (LoneRyu @ Apr 23 2010, 10:48 PM) *
Zab could have won through patience and accuracy.


But that's the whole problem...Zab has NEVER been a patient fighter, so your logic is flawed. I mean, heck, Zab could have beat Baldomir if he actually trained...Zab could have beat Tszyu if he didn't drop his hands and pull straight back...Zab could have beat Shane if he didn't get pissed at his dad and put his hand through a glass window...Zab could have done A LOT of things, but he didn't, therefore, the outcome is what has been written in the history books.

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post Apr 23 2010, 10:54 PM
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QUOTE (thehype @ Apr 23 2010, 10:52 PM) *
But that's the whole problem...Zab has NEVER been a patient fighter, so your logic is flawed. I mean, heck, Zab could have beat Baldomir if he actually trained...Zab could have beat Tszyu if he didn't drop his hands and pull straight back...Zab could have beat Shane if he didn't get pissed at his dad and put his hand through a glass window...Zab could have done A LOT of things, but he didn't, therefore, the outcome is what has been written in the history books.

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post Apr 23 2010, 10:56 PM
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QUOTE (LoneRyu @ Apr 24 2010, 03:33 AM) *
i never said that. i feel that being economical i.e. intelligent with his aggression got him alot farther than angrily throwing combinations.


I believe making an early start against mayweather in a counterpunching role is a good idea, so long as you have the speed to pull it off. Floyd lets his opponents swarm him, as pressure is the conventional logic to beating floyd... and look at how successful thats been. He just lets you waste punches, pot shot, and let you tire yourself out. If you have the speed, reverse the roles, get floyd to attack.

Of course, there will come a point where floyd makes an adjustment. The key to winning will be to recognize this point and switch your own game accordingly. Something zab was incapable of, hence the result.

Sure floyd won the fight down the stretch as judah fell apart, but the fight was close. I gave judah 4 rounds, and a knockdown if it had been scored correctly.

Adding in the fact that judah was choked badly during the scuffle, its not inconcievable he could have pulled a draw. Just 2 rounds IMO was all he needed for a win IMO. And then looking at floyds resume... draw or lost to Judah? The P4P greatest of all time ?

Over rated

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post Apr 23 2010, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE (LoneRyu @ Apr 23 2010, 08:48 PM) *
In the first $ rounds against Mayweather Zab was conservative but acurate with his power punches then his dad says let em go start throwing more punches. In my opinion if zabs father would have kept his mouth shut Zab could have won through patience and accuracy.


I think zab gave floyd the most trouble more than castillo
The big thing here is zab's pops Yoel I mean seriously watch zabs early fights when Lou Duva trained him and then watch zabs fights when Yoel took over you see a MAJOR change in fundamentals and show boating.... zabs downfall was letting his pops train him.
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post Apr 23 2010, 11:03 PM
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QUOTE (AussieLad @ Apr 23 2010, 11:56 PM) *
Sure floyd won the fight down the stretch as judah fell apart, but the fight was close. I gave judah 4 rounds, and a knockdown if it had been scored correctly.

Adding in the fact that judah was choked badly during the scuffle, its not inconcievable he could have pulled a draw. Just one round IMO was all he needed. And then looking at floyds resume... draw with Judah? The P4P greatest of all time drawed with Judah?

Over rated


Or maybe...just MAYBE Judah "fell apart" down the stretch because his ass was getting picked apart by Mayweather. The body work got Zab to drop his hands and then Floyd busted him up all over the place. That fight was only "close" after the first 4 rounds...and I don't care if you gave every single one of those first 4 rounds to Zab...after that, it was all Floyd, who started fvckin Zab up so bad that Judah jacked him in the balls just to catch a break. If you consider the fact that Judah was eating some heavy leather just prior to that low blow and scuffle, in my opinion, his ass was about to get knocked the fvck out!

WOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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I swear, with some of you, it's always, always, ALWAYS what the other guy does or doesn't do...it's never about what Floyd actually gets done in there.

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post Apr 23 2010, 11:26 PM
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QUOTE (thehype @ Apr 23 2010, 09:03 PM) *
Or maybe...just MAYBE Judah "fell apart" down the stretch because his ass was getting picked apart by Mayweather. The body work got Zab to drop his hands and then Floyd busted him up all over the place. That fight was only "close" after the first 4 rounds...and I don't care if you gave every single one of those first 4 rounds to Zab...after that, it was all Floyd, who started fvckin Zab up so bad that Judah jacked him in the balls just to catch a break. If you consider the fact that Judah was eating some heavy leather just prior to that low blow and scuffle, in my opinion, his ass was about to get knocked the fvck out!

WOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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I swear, with some of you, it's always, always, ALWAYS what the other guy does or doesn't do...it's never about what Floyd actually gets done in there.

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you know im actually a floyd fan. hes the smartest fighter today bar none. im my opinion zab pushed him the farthest athletically and that was exciting to see. i think mosley will be a tougher fight than pac down the line if it happens. thats why im really into the may mosley fight.
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