[BGv2.0]

Obviously I need to make clear my Gatti comparison/fan interest.

At no time was my comparison to Gatti in realtion to skills or ability.....I'm simply saying that he appeals to fans win or lose due to the fact that he does come to fight and win or lose he usually provides excitment where other HWs are simply happy to win/survive through boring UDs.

Also....when I say HUGE fan interest....I mean about as HUGE as one can get in relation to the HW division. None of those matchups I mentioned are PPV worthy...but I could see them headlining a BAD HBO card or being on a decent HBO PPV undercard.

This post has been edited by BGv2.0: Apr 27 2010, 05:15 PM

[KYLE THEEE SPINK...]

Adamek beat Andrew Golota and former olympian Jason Estrada at heavyweight. This is more impressive than what Sam Peter, Hasim Rahman, and James Toney have all done combined in the last year. Adamek is really underrated imo, but he keeps on winning against solid fighters. So in that light, there really is no shame in losing to Adamek. I'll give you the point about his technique. He really hasn't shown any progression in his career and continues to come in shape. However, only two fighters have beaten him. Like I've said, one of those fighters is the heavyweight champ and the other is a former lt. heavy and cruiserweight champ.

What inclines you to believe that Tua, an old Rahman or a just as fat Toney beats him. Not to mention, Peter has just almost as shitty boxing technique as Arreola. I'll admit a 210 lb. Toney prolly outslicks Arreola. However, I don't count on that because Toney has weighed above 230 in 6 of his last 9 fights. I think Arreola would be the agressor and outwork Toney while he sits on the ropes like he did against Oquendo. Arreola is above the level of Matthew Greer.

Rahman is just old right now, and would not beat Arreola. He was down on one of the scorecards against Zuri Lawrence, and hasn't looked the same since 2006. Rahman is fat, old, and really doesn't have it anymore. He would wear Rock down and stop him late. It pains me to say that too because Rahman is one of the reasons I'm such a huge boxing fan now.

Peter-Arreola would be a brawl. Arreola has shown a good chin against hard punchers, so I think he can take what Peter has to offer. Honestly, I'd love to see this fight, and it's a real toss-up. However, Arreola wouldn't have to go looking for Peter like he did against Klitschko or Adamek. Movement and long fighters give Arreola problems. Peter won't do that, and Arreola will gut out a decision. Be a great fight though.

Tua-Arreola would be along the same lines as Peter-Arreola. However, David Tua is old, and if he didn't have a name he wouldn't be discussed. David Tua has come up short in almost every big fight he's had. I see this pattern continuing, as Arreola would be the agressor and Tua wouldn't throw enough. Tua doesn't move his head much either so he'd be in the way of those wide shots at times.

This post has been edited by KYLE THEEE SPINKS FAN: Apr 27 2010, 06:15 PM

[pesticid]

I am bit disappointed in Toney and I am one of his biggest fan, actually was, not so much these days but still like him a lot. My problem with him isn't that he calls every big name out, it's admirable and unlike Rahman he's not in there just for the paycheck. My problem with him is that in his last 6 fights at heavyweight he's done nada. He lost twice to Peter, had a no contest with Rahman (that was unfortunate cause Toney just started to look good in there, but Rahman played it smart or scared, your choice), won a split decision against Batcherfield (I believe both of them got caught for steroids), then won another split decision against Oquendo, which arguably should've been a loss. Then he shows up in shape and knocks out some guy named Greer.

So in his last 6 fights, he hasn't even looked like a fringe contender, that's how poorly he performed.

I am disappointed in him for not fighting guys for lesser money, Tony Thompson called him out and credit to Thompson because he's a good fighter and he would fight anybody. Toney says oh I can't fight him for that kind of money, but he's willing to fight him in the streets. Then Jonathan Banks called him out, Toney still doesn't want to fight him cause of the money. He should take these fights and win them as he says he would win them, this would get the networks and the fans excited, because honestly James hasn't shown me much at heavyweight since Holyfield.

I hope he gets Arreola, but Arreola is with HBO now and they won't approve Toney for Arreola unless Toney takes some lesser money fights and win spectacularly.

[pcraw]

Adamek beat Andrew Golota and former olympian Jason Estrada at heavyweight. This is more impressive than what Sam Peter, Hasim Rahman, and James Toney have all done combined in the last year. Adamek is really underrated imo, but he keeps on winning against solid fighters. So in that light, there really is no shame in losing to Adamek. I'll give you the point about his technique. He really hasn't shown any progression in his career and continues to come in shape. However, only two fighters have beaten him. Like I've said, one of those fighters is the heavyweight champ and the other is a former lt. heavy and cruiserweight champ.

What inclines you to believe that Tua, an old Rahman or a just as fat Toney beats him. Not to mention, Peter has just almost as shitty boxing technique as Arreola. I'll admit a 210 lb. Toney prolly outslicks Arreola. However, I don't count on that because Toney has weighed above 230 in 6 of his last 9 fights. I think Arreola would be the agressor and outwork Toney while he sits on the ropes like he did against Oquendo. Arreola is above the level of Matthew Greer.

Rahman is just old right now, and would not beat Arreola. He was down on one of the scorecards against Zuri Lawrence, and hasn't looked the same since 2006. Rahman is fat, old, and really doesn't have it anymore. He would wear Rock down and stop him late. It pains me to say that too because Rahman is one of the reasons I'm such a huge boxing fan now.

Peter-Arreola would be a brawl. Arreola has shown a good chin against hard punchers, so I think he can take what Peter has to offer. Honestly, I'd love to see this fight, and it's a real toss-up. However, Arreola wouldn't have to go looking for Peter like he did against Klitschko or Adamek. Movement and long fighters give Arreola problems. Peter won't do that, and Arreola will gut out a decision. Be a great fight though.

Tua-Arreola would be along the same lines as Peter-Arreola. However, David Tua is old, and if he didn't have a name he wouldn't be discussed. David Tua has come up short in almost every big fight he's had. I see this pattern continuing, as Arreola would be the agressor and Tua wouldn't throw enough. Tua doesn't move his head much either so he'd be in the way of those wide shots at times.

Golota is so washed up it's ridiculous and Estrada is an underachiever (which unfortunately most of our recent Olympians are). Those two guys don't hold much stock to me. Adamek is a solid fighter, but he should have been out gunned Saturday night; again, if he's fighting a guy that knows how to cut the ring off and not reach with his punches. I'm not even sold on Arreola being this hard puncher. Adamek gets shook up in all of his fights. Dawson, Banks, Cunningham etc. Travis Walker all but had Arreola knocked out until he turned into an NFL linebacker to hold on for the rest of the round and I hardly see Walker as a killer, so hell I'm not even sold on this solid chin thing. Only 2 fighters have beaten him because he's only stepped up twice in competition. Witherspoon was another Olympic hype job living off of his father's name, McCline...please and Minto an even bigger please...

People are so stuck on the fact that Toney has came in overweight that they forget he weighed 217 in his last fight. It's funny when I see people say, "Toney is just too fat." What inclines me to believe Tua could beat Arreola? He throws bombs with bad intention and he does actually have a helluva chin. Recipe for disaster against a guy that is limited in skills (which Arreola is).

I don't have time to depict every fight, but you have to understand, faded SKILLS beats limited skills any day. Roy Jones' skills are faded, but he would beat Jeff Lacy who has always been limited any day.

[Guest_Fitz_*]

Danny Green is pretty limited. That didn't work out all to well for Jones.

[JonnyBlaze]

An exciting heavyweight in an era of boring safety first heavies I hope he rebounds but how???

What does he do??RETIRE!!!!Hes a fuckin bum..Hes a disgrace to boxing..His post fight interviews may sometimes be funny but he has 0 class and is a bad name for boxers..He's also extremely fat and doesn't know how to get in shape..He should be fined money for coming into the ring looking like that and jiggling the way he does in slow motion replays..People could be losing their appetite if their eatting and watching this fat slob..Hope he does us all a favor and retires..

[pesticid]

Percy, I actually spent good amount of money getting James Toney's DVD set, well more like 50 fights, but still very good. I paid like $65, and for the Floyd DVD set I only paid like $35.

[KYLE THEEE SPINK...]

You say please when it comes to Minto, McCline, and Witherspoon. However, the fighters Rahman, Toney, Peter, and Tua have beaten in the last 1.5 years really aren't any better than those names. I'm not saying Arreola is the better fighter by any mean, but he has beaten the better competition the last year and half than those other fighters. Walker is a hard puncher as well. I don't remeber seeing Arreola out, I mean he got knocked down by a nice left, but that's it. He got back up and took it too Travis Walker for the next two rounds. Klitschko hit him with some bombs, and was unable to put him down. From what I remember, nobody else has been able to put him down or hurt him. I could be wrong on that, so anybody feel free to correct that if it's not true. However, that's why I think he's one tough SOB and has a good chin.

The reason people are stuck on Toney coming in fat is because he has made that a habit. He was over 230 pounds in six of his last nine fights. Sure he came in at 217.5 in his last fight, but the last time he came in that low was in 2003 against Holyfield. That's like six years ago. I'll give you him the benefit of the doubt on that one, and see what happens in his next couple fights.

Do faded skills beat limited skills any day? I would say John Ruiz had limited skills, but he beat Evander Holyfield who had good skills in his day. I know there are a lot of examples that go either way on that, so I say it really depends on how faded the fighter is. There are also other intangibles in the ring besides skills. Boxing is 80% mental, and many fighters have a better mentality than others.

[Guest_Fitz_*]

Pursue his calling as a nightclub bouncer.

Hahaha.

[Lil-lightsout]

Danny Green is pretty limited. That didn't work out all to well for Jones.

Look at Jones though, his heart is not there anymore and he can not take a punch.