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post Apr 27 2010, 08:56 PM
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QUOTE (The CEO @ Apr 27 2010, 11:24 AM) *
"If you were a trainer, what plan(s) would you develop to defeat Floyd Mayweather?"

Tomorrow evening is the cutoff date so lets get some answers in ASAP...

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I know this is easier said then done but its quite simple.speed,pressure,movement,cutting off the ring & body shots.not necessary in that order
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Jack 1000
post Apr 27 2010, 09:00 PM
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QUOTE (The CEO @ Apr 27 2010, 08:41 PM) *
Good answers, guys...the Margarito answer says a lot for being so little...lol

btw...this is thread where I ask the Board a question, Jack...if you have a special question for ME, you can put it in the original Board Seminar thread...I'll bump that....probably won't use your question because it's not in my alley...lol...hope you understand...


Sure,

Actually, we don't need to bump the Zale-Graziano question, because what I posted in this thread WAS the same question! hahaha! But if anyone wants to contribute to my question about Zale-Graziano's fight series, it's in this thread.

A GREAT Mayweather Question by Fighthype's very own, CEO! This is why it's so great to have a CEO on the forums!

Jack
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post Apr 28 2010, 12:33 AM
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1- DO NOT fight Floyd's fight. Do not let him pot shot you on the outside all night. You must be prepared to stay on the inside more and be a hard fast effective puncher. Hatton had the right idea, but not the necessary tools.

2- I would not worry about the head so much early on in the fight, and try and focus mainly on hard body shots early. Maybe the first half of the fight. Then after that I would want my fighter mixing in more head shots. When on the inside as Floyd likes to roll with right hands, that is where my fighter would focus on hard rights to the side of Floyd's body as he has his left side wide open.

3- Mental games. I would have my fighter taunt and try anything to get under PBF's skin. To maybe try and get him to open up more with his offense and be less defensive minded in there.

4- Floyd loves the left jab to the body a lot. I would have my fighter be extremely prepared for that, by as often as possible time Mayweather with fast straight rights over his jab. Maybe get a flash knockdown on an unsuspecting Floyd.

5- Watch the Castillo fights to kind of get a blueprint how he nullified him, and to show that Mayweather is far from unbeatable.

6- Floyd is undeniably a superbly conditioned athlete, in order to follow through with a winning gameplan, my fighter would have to also be as well conditioned and mentally fit for a fight with Floyd.

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post Apr 28 2010, 03:49 AM
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Simple

Although there are certain prerequisites. Being a dangerous fighter, be at least his size.

Then call mayweather out while you are still in your prime. Watch him duck, squirm and stutter his way out of a fight. When you are a past it, and mayweather deems you now a safe opponent, decline the fight saying floyd had his chance. Retire.

Moral victory is yours.... easy
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post Apr 28 2010, 06:47 AM
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Everybody talks about the only way to beat Floyd is to smother him and pressure him, mostly based on the first Castillo fight.


I say, "Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell, no!"



That's what Floyd WANTS everyone to do. He loves sitting in the pocket, doing his cute little shoulder rolls and bending down and up and popping in little counters. Charge at Floyd and he'll do that all day.


Here's what Floyd hates..... A JAB


Now that's oversimplifying things a little. You couldn't throw a Ricky Hatton in there and say, "Jab" and watch him morph into Larry Holmes or anything. Floyd is gonna whoop little Ricky whether he's jabbing, swinging or throwing hockey pucks.

But you get a fast, athletic, powerful guy with a real world class jab and you have potential right there for an upset.

If they can use that jab to stay on the outside (head AND body, Floyd doesn't like jabs to his body, they keep him off balance), controlling the centre of the ring, then moving inside and showing a 'raiding' tactic (i.e. throw a quick bunch of punches and get back out whilst Floyd is still shoulder rolling), then there's a chance of nicking a decision. Because here's the thing:

Floyd likes to TAKE HIS TIME on the inside. He'll ALWAYS let a guy throw a few shots first. He'll duck and dive, smile, body pop for a few punches...and THEN slam in his little counter shots which score him all his points. So fighters who just stay on the inside do so for too long and end up eating leather.

So the key is:

JAB on the outside (like DLH did, for, ooh, about four rounds in the middle of their fight)
FLURRY on the inside (whether you hit or not, just do it and GET OUT fast, back to long range and pump that jab again)


Whether Shane can do this is another question entirely.





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post Apr 28 2010, 06:53 AM
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QUOTE (blackbelt2003 @ Apr 28 2010, 07:47 AM) *
Everybody talks about the only way to beat Floyd is to smother him and pressure him, mostly based on the first Castillo fight.


I say, "Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell, no!"



That's what Floyd WANTS everyone to do. He loves sitting in the pocket, doing his cute little shoulder rolls and bending down and up and popping in little counters. Charge at Floyd and he'll do that all day.


Here's what Floyd hates..... A JAB


Now that's oversimplifying things a little. You couldn't throw a Ricky Hatton in there and say, "Jab" and watch him morph into Larry Holmes or anything. Floyd is gonna whoop little Ricky whether he's jabbing, swinging or throwing hockey pucks.

But you get a fast, athletic, powerful guy with a real world class jab and you have potential right there for an upset.

If they can use that jab to stay on the outside (head AND body, Floyd doesn't like jabs to his body, they keep him off balance), controlling the centre of the ring, then moving inside and showing a 'raiding' tactic (i.e. throw a quick bunch of punches and get back out whilst Floyd is still shoulder rolling), then there's a chance of nicking a decision. Because here's the thing:

Floyd likes to TAKE HIS TIME on the inside. He'll ALWAYS let a guy throw a few shots first. He'll duck and dive, smile, body pop for a few punches...and THEN slam in his little counter shots which score him all his points. So fighters who just stay on the inside do so for too long and end up eating leather.

So the key is:

JAB on the outside (like DLH did, for, ooh, about four rounds in the middle of their fight)
FLURRY on the inside (whether you hit or not, just do it and GET OUT fast, back to long range and pump that jab again)


Whether Shane can do this is another question entirely.





Black


That why my approach what to gradually work the pressure in and see if I could get Floyd out his comfort zone by being the aggressor. Maybe, lure him into a mistake and get flash kd or better yet really hurt him. I do think that in a twelve round fight NOBODY out boxes Floyd which is why I would want it to be a war by the end of it.
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post Apr 28 2010, 10:03 AM
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QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Apr 27 2010, 10:00 PM) *
Sure,

Actually, we don't need to bump the Zale-Graziano question, because what I posted in this thread WAS the same question! hahaha! But if anyone wants to contribute to my question about Zale-Graziano's fight series, it's in this thread.

A GREAT Mayweather Question by Fighthype's very own, CEO! This is why it's so great to have a CEO on the forums!

Jack


I'm a bit high...but is this your way of callin' me an asshole?

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Just playin'.....I got some weed though...
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post Apr 28 2010, 11:03 AM
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QUOTE (The CEO @ Apr 28 2010, 10:03 AM) *
I'm a bit high...but is this your way of callin' me an asshole?

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Just playin'.....I got some weed though...


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post Apr 28 2010, 11:12 AM
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QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Apr 27 2010, 01:11 PM) *
( I posted this in question#2, but it got pushed back, so I hope more can see it now!)

Here's a good question about the Zale-Graaziano fight series:

It has been well documented by several boxing sources that of the three Zale-Graziano fights, only their third meeting was ever filmed. Do you guys think that the sources could be wrong about the other two fights, where it is possible that someone, somewhere had or has a kinescope of these two matches complete? It is well known that from the early days of TV from about the 50's-70's hundreds to thousands of shows were NOT preserved on videotape. At that time, nobody realized any marquee value of saving most TV programs. (The first two Superbowls, the first ten years of Carson's Tonight Show, and most World Series Games before 1975 are best examples of programs known to no longer exist, at least not in their entirety, or be "lost.")

Do you believe that the first two Zale-Graziano fights were never filmed? Or that they could have been filmed and the footage simply no longer exists?

Jack

Never filmed.

No...filmed and the footage no longer exists. Definitely.

Man, that made for some interesting discussion.

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post Apr 28 2010, 11:28 AM
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I'd tell my fighter to throw EVRYTHING...including the kitchen sink at Floyd! Always come forward....make it rough...headbutts inside, elbows....hit him in the legs arms....chest...anywere. Even serve him up with one or two spaced out Golota specials!

Do everything you can......but not enough to get you DQ'd.

I don't even know if that would get the win....but it would be fun to watch him hurt....hell it would be worth the DQ.

Every fan in the arena would thank you for it....even if you lost!

BUT....if you did it right....there is no doubt that keeps the score close, constant forward pressure will usually always keep a score close.

Of course ALL of this has to come from a guy with the right weight...not a blown up smaller man...also not a past his prime or unskilled fighter.
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