[Thegreatequalize...]

roger mayweather wasn't known to have the greatest chin, though floyd sr.'s wasn't terrible. i think he's probably similar to roy jones in the sense that he doesn't want to take too many clean shots from a good puncher. i think he's probably got an average chin but can take a decent shot due to conditioning. i did see cotto take some clean shots from mosley and it didn't affect him as bad as floyd.

[SmartyBeardo]

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I think some of you should drop the conspiracy theories and just go back and REALLY WATCH all of Shane Mosley's past 10 fights. The Shane Mosley that showed up and performed this past Saturday night is the exact same Shane Mosley that showed up against Margarito, Cotto, Mayorga, Vargas, etc. He just looked THAT MUCH worse because he was fighting a guy THAT MUCH better than him. Likewise, I don't necessarily think Clottey just showed up and said, "Where the fuck is my check?" I think the Clottey that showed up to fight Manny Pacquiao was the same Clottey that showed up to fight Miguel Cotto, Zab Judah and Diego Corrales. I think both he and Mosley THOUGHT they were going to put on their best performance, but neither one of them knew what they were about to get themselves into. I think the difference between the two is that most people expected SOOOOO much more from Shane Mosley because...well...because he's "Shane Mosley" and basically, people expect a better fight with fireworks from him as opposed to Clottey. In both cases, both men got "dominated" on the scorecards, however, in my opinion, Shane Mosley actually got beat the hell up in his fight and looked like a truly defeated fighter, whereas Clottey looked like he just survived a sparring session. Mosley was definitely there to win...I can assure you of that. He just shot his load when he caught Floyd, trying to knock him out. When he didn't get him out of there and Mayweather was still there standing right in front of him and walking him down, you could almost literally see the discouragement in Shane's face. Even though he just won the round, he still took some damage of his own. And when Floyd came back out in the third and immediately started walking him down again to land that straight right and that short left hook, Mosley, who was walking around with his mouth wide open, still somewhat winded from the previous round, had one of those "Oh shit" moments. Ultimately, it was that moment where Mosley lost the fight. While he was running around in the third round trying to catch his wind, Floyd was beating him up. From there, it just snowballed and it all went down hill for Shane.

Besides, knowing Shane Mosley, he's not the type of guy that would just show up to collect a payday and maybe get some bonus money if he "throws the fight." Even if he was given that opportunity, he'd probably try to pull a Butch Coolidge (Google him if you don't know the name)...Mosley's EXTREMELY stubborn...stubborn enough to pass on a 12 million dollar offer for a 3rd fight with De La Hoya...something tells me that he's not the kind of guy to NOT show up and try his best. Just face it...Mayweather is THAT good. And hey...I'm not saying that Pacquiao isn't THAT good either...I'm just saying that there's a reason why these guys are DOMINATING certain opponents. The question is, which one is going to DOMINATE the other. My money is with Money...as accurate as he was hitting Mosley's jittery ass, I don't think he'll have a problem catching the gnat-like movements of Pacquiao. LOL.

Now, that being said, I think Mosley can still beat a lot of guys...it's just Mayweather is a tough muddasucka to figure out, and if you spend too much time trying to figure him out during the fight, you're gonna get lit up. Mosley vs. Berto is a good fight still...I'd lean towards Berto now (especially post-Mayweather beatdown)...Mosley vs. Cotto 2 (perhaps at 154)...Mosley vs. Margarito 2 (likely the same outcome as the first)...hell...I wouldn't be shocked if a year from now, Oscar isn't trying to talk Mosley into getting in the ring with Saul Alvarez. It might sound crazy, but do you think Mosley can win that one? After seeing him catch that beatdown from Mayweather, does anyone think Mosley is so far gone that Alvarez would beat him? Something to think about.

I'm getting totally off track now...the point is, what happened to Mosley IS NOT the same thing that happened to Clottey. One guy survived and caught a beatdown...the other guy survived with a smile on his face. Big difference in my opinion. I bet Clottey was ready to get back in the ring the next day...Mosley, on the other hand, probably won't visit a gym for a long time, opting instead to nurse his wounds in the fine bossom of Bella Gonzalez. LOL.

Alright Hype, there is no doubt that you have a closer perspective of this fight as well as the fight game in general. I understand that you and everyone else that had this fight pegged are skeptical of my view. I have seen all of Mosley's fights. I will review this fight, repeatedly.

Now, are you willing to take a step back and take in the terrain from the outside lookin' in?

If I am wrong, so be it. After reviewing the fight a number of times, if I discover enough evidence to disprove what I currently feel, I will admit it right here.

I want to repeat that I do not believe SSM would have won even if he had thrown more heat. I believe PBF would have put him to sleep. I just don't think that the future business end was left to chance.

I have reviewed the Pac v Clottey Farce several times. You and every other expert can talk until your nuts turn blue and fall the fuk off, Clottey was The Designated Loser. NOTHING was left to chance in that one. And the African nearly offed the Pinoy accidentally anyway.

You are damned right that I am a skeptic when it comes to the business of boxing. There is a lifetime mountain of evidence to support my skepticism.

[blackbelt2003]

Shaky chin... Please... in 41 fights the guy has shown signs of being hurt maybe three times. The fact is... his chin is sturdy enough to face big punchers and beat them convincingly.

Could have said the same about Roy Jones until he actually started getting hit.





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[neophyte7]

Hell Roy Jones .. If he was able to survive a hard shot the likes of PBF against Mosley... he would be on his bike the remainder of the fight, not go on the attack like Pbf and that tells me the type of awareness and confidence PBF has in his own chin and ability to mix it up when he wants...

How many times do people have to see Floyd hit hard to know that he is not Zab Judah... one hard shot aint going to do it and Floyd has proven that. The shots that Mosley delivered were delivered with bad intentions. In watching the rematch Mosley loaded up on those shots Margarito style and PBF shook them off. PBF also showed that he is good inside fighter. If Bayless had kept his ass from breaking too much and too soon, Shane was going to get beaten up even worse on the inside as PBF was landing some serious shots to Shane's abdomen. PBF is complete. The total package.

[pesticid]

Alright Hype, there is no doubt that you have a closer perspective of this fight as well as the fight game in general. I understand that you and everyone else that had this fight pegged are skeptical of my view. I have seen all of Mosley's fights. I will review this fight, repeatedly.

Now, are you willing to take a step back and take in the terrain from the outside lookin' in?

If I am wrong, so be it. After reviewing the fight a number of times, if I discover enough evidence to disprove what I currently feel, I will admit it right here.

I want to repeat that I do not believe SSM would have won even if he had thrown more heat. I believe PBF would have put him to sleep. I just don't think that the future business end was left to chance.

I have reviewed the Pac v Clottey Farce several times. You and every other expert can talk until your nuts turn blue and fall the fuk off, Clottey was The Designated Loser. NOTHING was left to chance in that one. And the African nearly offed the Pinoy accidentally anyway.

You are damned right that I am a skeptic when it comes to the business of boxing. There is a lifetime mountain of evidence to support my skepticism.

The difference is that Mosley kind of put Floyd on queer street for a moment and tried to finish him only to get subdued. Clottey never tried anything like that. I am not saying that Clottey threw the fight against Pacman, I am just saying that Clottey throwing the fight is more plausible.

[Jack 1000]

That loss to Floyd was bad...real bad...and Shane's going to have a problem now in negotiations with anyone he tries to face.

It's not so much that Shane lost, but he had Floyd hurt in that 2nd round and than when he came out for round 3-12, acted like, "That's not supposed to happen." and turned into Joshua Clottey when Clottey doesn't care (Pacquiao) or almost seems is told not to look good before the fight, or brought in to lose, whatever.

I am not suggesting that Shane threw the Mayweather fight, but that performance after hurting Floyd in round 2 and backing off like that I found reprehensible. Like Shane or Josh were gonna get a decision anyway. Mosley had his chance and did not act like the Shane that we have known for years who never stopped trying. He was more determined when Forrest was beating him in those fights, even when he was getting bashed from piller to post in the first fight than against Mayweather.

Shane should be ASHAMED of his lack of effort against Mayweather. Maybe he looked old and got old and all of that, but he didn't even try. Now we got Mora on PPV, a shame and a sham from from Oscar's company.

Jack