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caneman
post Aug 7 2010, 11:43 AM
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PBF better watch what he signs though as I don't see him fighting pass Pacman. Not sure why I say that but for $100 million, King will need 3-5 fights to make his $$$ back! Does anyone see him fighting more than 2-3 fights...I am having a hard time picturing that myself! Bring on Pacman vs PBF & fuck Margacheato & his cheating ass & his bullshit belt! Thoughts y'all?
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post Aug 9 2010, 08:55 PM
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Interestingly, Iole reported that Pacquiao - Cotto was a much bigger weekend for Vegas casinos than Mayweather - Mosley...I think 50 / 50 is fair.

And while Top Rank is annoying with the keeping it in the fam...Floyd has been fighting under the GBP promotional license for a little while now, when is the last time he fought a non-GBP fighter?

Arum and Floyd have so much disdain for each other because they are so much alike.
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post Aug 9 2010, 11:41 PM
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QUOTE (JD @ Aug 9 2010, 08:55 PM) *
Interestingly, Iole reported that Pacquiao - Cotto was a much bigger weekend for Vegas casinos than Mayweather - Mosley...I think 50 / 50 is fair.

And while Top Rank is annoying with the keeping it in the fam...Floyd has been fighting under the GBP promotional license for a little while now, when is the last time he fought a non-GBP fighter?

Arum and Floyd have so much disdain for each other because they are so much alike.


Casino revenue is irrelevant. Well...I shouldn't say that, but the only REAL relevance it has is when it comes to them making an offer for the venue. Other than that, it's all about PPV money baby...at least that's all HBO and advertisers really care about. LOL.

For the record, Ricky Hatton was the last time Floyd fought a non-GBP fighter.

In fact, technically speaking, the only Golden Boy fighters he's fought were Shane Mosley, Juan Manuel Marquez and Oscar De La Hoya.

Actually, come to think of it, Manny Pacquiao has fought more Golden Boy fighters (Ricky Hatton, Oscar De La Hoya, Juan Manuel Marquez, Marco Antonio Barrera) than Floyd has. And don't get me started on his list of Top Rank fighters, including Joshua Clottey, Miguel Cotto, David Diaz, Jorge Solis, Hector Velazquez, Erik Morales, Juan Manuel Marquez (the first fight).

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post Aug 10 2010, 05:41 AM
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QUOTE (thehype @ Aug 10 2010, 12:41 AM) *
Casino revenue is irrelevant. Well...I shouldn't say that, but the only REAL relevance it has is when it comes to them making an offer for the venue. Other than that, it's all about PPV money baby...at least that's all HBO and advertisers really care about. LOL.

For the record, Ricky Hatton was the last time Floyd fought a non-GBP fighter.

In fact, technically speaking, the only Golden Boy fighters he's fought were Shane Mosley, Juan Manuel Marquez and Oscar De La Hoya.

Actually, come to think of it, Manny Pacquiao has fought more Golden Boy fighters (Ricky Hatton, Oscar De La Hoya, Juan Manuel Marquez, Marco Antonio Barrera) than Floyd has. And don't get me started on his list of Top Rank fighters, including Joshua Clottey, Miguel Cotto, David Diaz, Jorge Solis, Hector Velazquez, Erik Morales, Juan Manuel Marquez (the first fight).

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I don't think the Casinos and those paying the site fees would consider revenue brought in that weekend by the fight irrelevant...it's all part of the money generated by these fights. So maybe they need to up the site fee to get these guys what they want. Irrelevant to HBO? Yes...I would agree with that, but the casinos? I would think otherwise.

As for Hatton...like Spyder said, that fight was all GBP...Hatton' promotional group couldn't do it, just like Floyd's, shortly after he signed with GBP anyway. The point was, Floyd and Arum do the same exact things...over time, yes, Pacquiao has fought more GBP fighters, but of late, which is what I am speaking of - it has been all in house, just like Floyd has done with GBP fighters.
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post Aug 10 2010, 11:46 AM
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QUOTE (JD @ Aug 10 2010, 06:41 AM) *
I don't think the Casinos and those paying the site fees would consider revenue brought in that weekend by the fight irrelevant...it's all part of the money generated by these fights. So maybe they need to up the site fee to get these guys what they want. Irrelevant to HBO? Yes...I would agree with that, but the casinos? I would think otherwise.

As for Hatton...like Spyder said, that fight was all GBP...Hatton' promotional group couldn't do it, just like Floyd's, shortly after he signed with GBP anyway. The point was, Floyd and Arum do the same exact things...over time, yes, Pacquiao has fought more GBP fighters, but of late, which is what I am speaking of - it has been all in house, just like Floyd has done with GBP fighters.


I was being facetious about casino money, which is why I said, "Well...I shouldn't say that, but the only REAL relevance it has is when it comes to them making an offer for the venue," and then put a big "LOL" at the end. HOWEVER, I will say that the PPV revenue, combined with the revenue generated from sponsors, FAR exceeds any site fee that a casino may offer, so when it comes to purse splits, I would think the ability to generate that kind of revenue is just a little more important than what the casinos are bringing in for a particular weekend...otherwise, like you said, maybe they SHOULD be asking for a far greater site fee (I'm thinking maybe double) than what they're getting. LOL. But whatever....that's a discussion for a totally different thread.

As for Hatton and Spyder...please see my above post. Like I said, Hatton WAS NOT a Golden Boy fighter until the year 2008...which was AFTER his fight with Mayweather. I never said Golden Boy DID NOT promote the event. WTF? Do you guys think I'm dumb or something? LOL.

Back to in-house fighters....there's a big difference between what Arum is doing and what Floyd is doing. Floyd isn't going out of his way to only fight Golden Boy fighters. I mean, Shane Mosley was the best fight to be made other than Mayweather vs. Pacquiao...there's no denying that. And Marquez...that was a tune-up after a lengthy retirement...I give him a pass on that one, just like I would give Pacquiao a pass on David Diaz (seeing as how that was his first and only fight at lightweight). But prior to that, like I already established, Ricky Hatton wasn't a Golden Boy fighter when that fight was being finalized and took place. Baldomir and Judah weren't Golden Boy fighters either...but that's besides the point. The point is, Bob Arum is PURPOSELY only matching Manny Pacquiao with Top Rank fighters now....Cotto, Clottey, Margarito...even him mentioning potential fights with Foreman, Cotto again, or Julio Cesar Chavez Jr....the guy is BLATANTLY keeping the fights in-house...and he's not the only fighter he's doing it with. But I think we both agree on that, so there's really no debating it. But I totally disagree with the notion that Floyd Mayweather is only looking to fight Golden Boy fighters....especially when he's only fought 3 in his entire career.

All I was simply saying was that Ricky Hatton was the last time that Floyd Mayweather fought a non-GBP fighter.


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post Aug 10 2010, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE (thehype @ Aug 10 2010, 12:46 PM) *
I was being facetious about casino money, which is why I said, "Well...I shouldn't say that, but the only REAL relevance it has is when it comes to them making an offer for the venue," and then put a big "LOL" at the end. HOWEVER, I will say that the PPV revenue, combined with the revenue generated from sponsors, FAR exceeds any site fee that a casino may offer, so when it comes to purse splits, I would think the ability to generate that kind of revenue is just a little more important than what the casinos are bringing in for a particular weekend...otherwise, like you said, maybe they SHOULD be asking for a far greater site fee (I'm thinking maybe double) than what they're getting. LOL. But whatever....that's a discussion for a totally different thread.

As for Hatton and Spyder...please see my above post. Like I said, Hatton WAS NOT a Golden Boy fighter until the year 2008...which was AFTER his fight with Mayweather. I never said Golden Boy DID NOT promote the event. WTF? Do you guys think I'm dumb or something? LOL.

Back to in-house fighters....there's a big difference between what Arum is doing and what Floyd is doing. Floyd isn't going out of his way to only fight Golden Boy fighters. I mean, Shane Mosley was the best fight to be made other than Mayweather vs. Pacquiao...there's no denying that. And Marquez...that was a tune-up after a lengthy retirement...I give him a pass on that one, just like I would give Pacquiao a pass on David Diaz (seeing as how that was his first and only fight at lightweight). But prior to that, like I already established, Ricky Hatton wasn't a Golden Boy fighter when that fight was being finalized and took place. Baldomir and Judah weren't Golden Boy fighters either...but that's besides the point. The point is, Bob Arum is PURPOSELY only matching Manny Pacquiao with Top Rank fighters now....Cotto, Clottey, Margarito...even him mentioning potential fights with Foreman, Cotto again, or Julio Cesar Chavez Jr....the guy is BLATANTLY keeping the fights in-house...and he's not the only fighter he's doing it with. But I think we both agree on that, so there's really no debating it. But I totally disagree with the notion that Floyd Mayweather is only looking to fight Golden Boy fighters....especially when he's only fought 3 in his entire career.

All I was simply saying was that Ricky Hatton was the last time that Floyd Mayweather fought a non-GBP fighter.


Well yeah, then it goes back to the sites anteing up. Because the whole point of having these fights in Vegas is so people get out there and gamble...sure, the gate is nice, but the casino's are hoping high rollers come in and drop money like it is going out of style. So yes, maybe the site fee needs to be upped significantly and it needs to be thrown into the pot.

And while you may be looking at intent, or lack thereof, they are still doing the same thing. When Floyd fought Hatton, he was basically a GBP fighter - he had no other affiliation, outside of his own unlicensed promotional outfit, and shortly thereafter, he signed with GBP...as we already established, it was a GBP fight. Historically no...this was not an issue with Floyd at all, but I am talking about recent past and the new trend of keeping it in house.

Arum and Floyd have disdain for each other because of how similar they are.
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