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[Warlord]

Wow, I was just about to talk about how shitty Hughes was looking and then he ROCKS Almeida with a left hook and then chokes him out with a front choke. WOW.

[Run and Gun Game...]

Bazooka I am trying very hard to understand your stance, i really am. I am not new to the sport or a kid. I have been watching mma since UFC #2. And I have followed the sport very closely since.

I want to know what criteria you are using to call Silva the GOAT.

It cant be accomplishments, because other fighters have accomplished more,

So it has to be based on your opinion of his fighting style.

I agree he is one of the best strikers I have ever seen. Brutal Elbows and knees, and very good speed. His ground game to me though, is average at best.

So explain why is he better than anyone who have ever fought mma? As posted before the accomplishments dont stack up yet.

Also quit that thing you do with bowing off questions just so you dont have to answer them.

ED SORROS and DANA WHITE are running from a rematch, why if he is this GOAT you claim him to be? Dude you cant say it will eventually happen, you dont know that. They have been looking for someone around silva weight to push him, well we got it. The rematch would be a a challenge for your great idol. Why run from the best fight out there for him to fight? Give an honest opinion and reasoning why. Quit blowing off questions

[kidbazooka1]

Bazooka I am trying very hard to understand your stance, i really am. I am not new to the sport or a kid. I have been watching mma since UFC #2. And I have followed the sport very closely since.

I want to know what criteria you are using to call Silva the GOAT.

It cant be accomplishments, because other fighters have accomplished more,

So it has to be based on your opinion of his fighting style.

I agree he is one of the best strikers I have ever seen. Brutal Elbows and knees, and very good speed. His ground game to me though, is average at best.

So explain why is he better than anyone who have ever fought mma? As posted before the accomplishments dont stack up yet.

Also quit that thing you do with bowing off questions just so you dont have to answer them.

ED SORROS and DANA WHITE are running from a rematch, why if he is this GOAT you claim him to be? Dude you cant say it will eventually happen, you dont know that. They have been looking for someone around silva weight to push him, well we got it. The rematch would be a a challenge for your great idol. Why run from the best fight out there for him to fight? Give an honest opinion and reasoning why. Quit blowing off questions

Who kows but like i said i truely believe that the fight will happen sh*t maybe Dana and Ed are afraid that Silva might lose but i guarantee you Silva will fight him a 2nd time and just like Ed said in another interview that if thats the fight the UFC wants than they will do it(i will try and find it for you).

Now can you please answer my question.

Since you have said that GSP, Penn and Couture are all greater fighers than Silva then why don't they proclaime one of them as the GOAT since they too are UFC fighters? and you pretty muc said UFC was bias towrds Silva thats why they called him the GOAT so please asnwer me that my friend.

[Run and Gun Game...]

Since you have said that GSP, Penn and Couture are all greater fighers than Silva then why don't they proclaime one of them as the GOAT since they too are UFC fighters? and you pretty muc said UFC was bias towrds Silva thats why they called him the GOAT so please asnwer me that my friend.

GSP, Penn and Couture have all accomplished more. That is why I call them greater all time. Lets go down the list though shall we?

GSP, dominating wins over Matt Hughes, and penn plus his well rounded game make me put him at #1 p4p right now, and higher than Silva based mainly on his level of competition. Hughes was considered #1 p4p when he beat him, as was bj Penn when he beat him during the first fight.

BJ Penn, You mentioned his loss early in his career to jens pulver. Pulver was already seasoned at that point, and Bj was still new to the mma game., but look at the rematch. Look at how artistic the submission was, trapping the arm with his leg as he applied the read naked choke. Look how he dominated and beat matt highes in their first fight, and hughes is really a 205 pder, and what most have called the strongest fighter in the ufc By out grappled the grappler. A man much much bigger than him. Who in fact was a champion at the time. To me BJ's ground game is vastly superior to silvas, and his stand up is not far off. P4P a better fighter.


Now for couture, his accomplishments are already listed. He has accomplished more than any other mma fighter in history. his stand up is average, but ground game is superior. Second on the ground only to BJ Penn. his accomplishments and fighting and beating men so much bigger than him, many times making it look so easy is why i rank him so highly, and in fact above silva.

you cant rate a fighter on potiental in my opinion, they have to earn it. Silva has the oppertunity to do that, he just hasnt earned it yet in my opinion.


Why does the UFC promote Silva and not these others as the best of all time? I have personally heard Rogan call both Penn and Couture perhaps the best fighter MMA has ever seen during telecasts. I believe dana white hypes this, stealing a page out of mayweathers book. Proclaiming him the best ever, and getting emotions involved as people buy ppv's praying to see him lose. That being said, Dana lets the machine work for him, far as I know he has never personally called silva the best ever.

I want to know what criteria you are using to call Silva the GOAT.

It cant be accomplishments, because other fighters have accomplished more,

So it has to be based on your opinion of his fighting style.

I agree he is one of the best strikers I have ever seen. Brutal Elbows and knees, and very good speed. His ground game to me though, is average at best.

So explain why is he better than anyone who have ever fought mma? As posted before the accomplishments dont stack up yet.

Still waiting for you to answer this

This post has been edited by Run and Gun Game Calls: Aug 10 2010, 04:12 PM

[Warlord]

you cant rate a fighter on potiental.

I think that sums it up perfectly, actually.

Bazooka, you can't honestly sit here and argue that Anderson Silva's body of work qualifies him as the best ever, can you?

As stated before, going just off comp lists, Fedor, Wanderlei Silva, and Mauricio "Shogun" Rua all excel Anderson at this point. Even Kazushi Sakuraba excels Silva at this point. By A LOT. Sakuraba holds wins over 6 former UFC champions.

Kazushi Sakuraba

Win Ikuhisa Minowa Technical Submission (Kimura)
Win Ken Shamrock TKO (Punch)
Win Kevin Randleman Submission (Armbar)
Win Quinton Jackson Submission (Rear Naked Choke)
Win Ryan Gracie Decision (Unanimous)
Win Renzo Gracie Technical Submission (Kimura)
Win Royce Gracie TKO (Corner Stoppage)
Win Guy Mezger TKO (Retirement)
Win Royler Gracie Technical Submission (Kimura)
Win Ebenezer Fontes Braga Submission (Armbar)
Win Vitor Belfort Decision (Unanimous)
Win Carlos Newton Submission (Kneebar)
Win Vernon White Submission (Armbar)


Let's take it a little further. Let's break down the way each fighter has won.

Anderson Silva - 27 wins

Wins 15 (T)KOs ( 55.56 %)
5 Submissions ( 18.52 %)
7 Decisions ( 25.93 %)

Anderson Silva finished his opponents within the time-limit approximately 74% percent of the time. (74.08% to be exact.) Pretty good, yeah? (Though finishing only about half of your opponents by KO/TKO when striking is supposedly your specialty is a little surprising.) Well, try comparing that to Kazushi Sakuraba.


Kazushi Sakuraba - 26 wins

Wins 4 (T)KOs ( 15.38 %)
19 Submissions ( 73.08 %)
3 Decisions ( 11.54 %)

Sakuraba also finishes nearly 74% of his opponents within the time-limit... by submission alone! Add in TKO/KO finishes, and Kazushi Sakuraba finishes his oppnents 88.46% of the time... nearly 90 fucking %!


So yeah. Let's all lay off the Silva nutsack for a little while. The man clearly has a long way to go before we start trying to proclaim him as the GOAT. Regardless of whatever the fuck Dana White and the UFC hype-machine would have you believe.


P.S. Sakuraba would've toyed with, and then subbed Anderson Silva by arm-bar if they'd ever met in their respective primes.

(IMG:http://www.mmahq.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/sakuraba-royce.jpg)

[kidbazooka1]

I think that sums it up perfectly, actually.

Bazooka, you can't honestly sit here and argue that Anderson Silva's body of work qualifies him as the best ever, can you?

As stated before, going just off comp lists, Fedor, Wanderlei Silva, and Mauricio "Shogun" Rua all excel Anderson at this point. Even Kazushi Sakuraba excels Silva at this point. By A LOT. Sakuraba holds wins over 6 former UFC champions.

Kazushi Sakuraba

Win Ikuhisa Minowa Technical Submission (Kimura)
Win Ken Shamrock TKO (Punch)
Win Kevin Randleman Submission (Armbar)
Win Quinton Jackson Submission (Rear Naked Choke)
Win Ryan Gracie Decision (Unanimous)
Win Renzo Gracie Technical Submission (Kimura)
Win Royce Gracie TKO (Corner Stoppage)
Win Guy Mezger TKO (Retirement)
Win Royler Gracie Technical Submission (Kimura)
Win Ebenezer Fontes Braga Submission (Armbar)
Win Vitor Belfort Decision (Unanimous)
Win Carlos Newton Submission (Kneebar)
Win Vernon White Submission (Armbar)


Let's take it a little further. Let's break down the way each fighter has won.

Anderson Silva - 27 wins

Wins 15 (T)KOs ( 55.56 %)
5 Submissions ( 18.52 %)
7 Decisions ( 25.93 %)

Anderson Silva finished his opponents within the time-limit approximately 74% percent of the time. (74.08% to be exact.) Pretty good, yeah? (Though finishing only about half of your opponents by KO/TKO when striking is supposedly your specialty is a little surprising.) Well, try comparing that to Kazushi Sakuraba.


Kazushi Sakuraba - 26 wins

Wins 4 (T)KOs ( 15.38 %)
19 Submissions ( 73.08 %)
3 Decisions ( 11.54 %)

Sakuraba also finishes nearly 74% of his opponents within the time-limit... by submission alone! Add in TKO/KO finishes, and Kazushi Sakuraba finishes his oppnents 88.46% of the time... nearly 90 fucking %!


So yeah. Let's all lay off the Silva nutsack for a little while. The man clearly has a long way to go before we start trying to proclaim him as the GOAT. Regardless of whatever the fuck Dana White and the UFC hype-machine would have you believe.


P.S. Sakuraba would've toyed with, and then subbed Anderson Silva by arm-bar if they'd ever met in their respective primes.

(IMG:http://www.mmahq.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/sakuraba-royce.jpg)

Read my above post.

It's not just because of his resume he has a good one but it's not just that.

[Warlord]

Read my above post.

It's not just because of his resume he has a good one but it's not just that.

I did read it. You went on Ad nauseam about how beating Travis Lutter and Nate Marquardt makes Silva the GOAT. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Seriously though. Anderson doesn't even have a better record than Sakuraba. Sakuraba was submitting Gracies like it was going out of style, something NO ONE had ever done before. Sakuraba gave his back up in DISDAIN to those fighters as well. And none of them could submit him. Unlike Silva, who periodically gets himself caught in embarrassing situations with SUB-PAR competition.

Sakuraba beat Belfort in stand-up before dominating him on the ground, hell, he's beat professional boxers (Rubin Williams) in stand-up before taking them down. AND he's done it all far, far above his natural fighting weight. Something Anderson Silva would know nothing about. He (Silva) walks around well above 205lbs in his daily life (about 230, from what I hear), but still can't seem to motivate himself to make a real go at Light Heavyweight.

Sakuraba has never walked into the ring weighing more than 192lbs. And often, he weighed less. But he's been fighting Light Heavyweights and Heavyweights his ENTIRE CAREER. Fuck, the man fought Mirko Cro-Cop for Christ's sake! He even fought Igor Vovchanchyn (whose striking excels Anderson Silva's) AFTER fighting Royce Gracie for 90 minutes... on the same fucking night!!!

Now I'm getting myself worked up, lol.

Anderson Silva isn't even worthy to bow before Sakuraba's throne and worship. He's doing just fine bowing down at Chael Sonnen's feet.

[kidbazooka1]

I did read it. You went on Ad nauseam about how beating Travis Lutter and Nate Marquardt makes Silva the GOAT. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Seriously though. Anderson doesn't even have a better record than Sakuraba. Sakuraba was submitting Gracies like it was going out of style, something NO ONE had ever done before. Sakuraba gave his back up in DISDAIN to those fighters as well. And none of them could submit him. Unlike Silva, who periodically gets himself caught in embarrassing situations with SUB-PAR competition.

Sakuraba beat Belfort in stand-up before dominating him on the ground, hell, he's beat professional boxers (Rubin Williams) in stand-up before taking them down. AND he's done it all far, far above his natural fighting weight. Something Anderson Silva would know nothing about. He (Silva) walks around well above 205lbs in his daily life (about 230, from what I hear), but still can't seem to motivate himself to make a real go at Light Heavyweight.

Sakuraba has never walked into the ring weighing more than 192lbs. And often, he weighed less. But he's been fighting Light Heavyweights and Heavyweights his ENTIRE CAREER. Fuck, the man fought Mirko Cro-Cop for Christ's sake! He even fought Igor Vovchanchyn (whose striking excels Anderson Silva's) AFTER fighting Royce Gracie for 90 minutes... on the same fucking night!!!

Now I'm getting myself worked up, lol.

Anderson Silva isn't even worthy to bow before Sakuraba's throne and worship. He's doing just fine bowing down at Chael Sonnen's feet.

LOL

I can counter that easly but i won't even waste my time. Im done here.

This post has been edited by kidbazooka1: Aug 10 2010, 08:24 PM

[Warlord]

LOL

I can counter that easly but i won't even waste my time. Im done here.

Hehe, the forum's open day and night, bro.

Seriously. I think you're just caught up in the moment. The adrenalin of seeing Silva pull that miracle win out of his ass after getting his ugly face dominated for 4 and a half rounds put you into orbit, and you said some stuff in such a way that left you open for the debate that ensued.

Anderson Silva is a great fighter. A top P4P fighter. No one is denying that. But that isn't enough for you. You want everyone to join hands at the table of brotherhood for Silva, and brother, it ain't happening.

There are some people who agree with you, yes, that Anderson is the GOAT. But brother, they are ALL Tuf-noobs who don't know SHIT about MMA.

It's the same tactic from everyone of them. Proclaim Silva the greatest, shit on Fedor, shit on other top fighters, claim that the greatest are only fighting in the UFC, rinse, and repeat. Really. It's text-book shit.

I know you aren't a tuffer, but you've done everything so far on that list except claim that all the best are fighting in the UFC. (So I gotta ask? Do you believe that too?) I mean, really, it is all right out of the UFC hype-machine.

All I am saying is put the emotion aside. You're a Silva fan. Okay. Maybe you're letting that cloud your judgement just a bit. You compared the man to Sugar Ray Robinson for crying out loud. I mean, you've stopped just short of anointing him with messianic prophecy.

Let's all just chill out here for a little while. There is still a lot of fighting to be done before we can decide who the GOAT really is.

[kidbazooka1]

Hehe, the forum's open day and night, bro.

Seriously. I think you're just caught up in the moment. The adrenalin of seeing Silva pull that miracle win out of his ass after getting his ugly face dominated for 4 and a half rounds put you into orbit, and you said some stuff in such a way that left you open for the debate that ensued.

Anderson Silva is a great fighter. A top P4P fighter. No one is denying that. But that isn't enough for you. You want everyone to join hands at the table of brotherhood for Silva, and brother, it ain't happening.

There are some people who agree with you, yes, that Anderson is the GOAT. But brother, they are ALL Tuf-noobs who don't know SHIT about MMA.

It's the same tactic from everyone of them. Proclaim Silva the greatest, shit on Fedor, shit on other top fighters, claim that the greatest are only fighting in the UFC, rinse, and repeat. Really. It's text-book shit.

I know you aren't a tuffer, but you've done everything so far on that list except claim that all the best are fighting in the UFC. (So I gotta ask? Do you believe that too?) I mean, really, it is all right out of the UFC hype-machine.

All I am saying is put the emotion aside. You're a Silva fan. Okay. Maybe you're letting that cloud your judgement just a bit. You compared the man to Sugar Ray Robinson for crying out loud. I mean, you've stopped just short of anointing him with messianic prophecy.

Let's all just chill out here for a little while. There is still a lot of fighting to be done before we can decide who the GOAT really is.

Hahahaha

Ok you don't agree with my opinion and i don't agree with yours so just let it go bro.