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Jack 1000
post Aug 14 2010, 12:55 PM
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post Aug 15 2010, 09:09 PM
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Had this gone the 12, Pascal would have won anyway.

I guess the question is "Would Dawson have stopped him?" had the headbut not occured.


Even though Pascal looked pretty much spent, alot of it may have had to do with his own layoff as well. Plus, Dawson just doesn't have the killer instinct to finish a hurt fighter under those circumstances. He's more concerned to avoid getting hit. Thats why he has no fanbase. His fights are on HBO because he has a belt and is recognized as the man at 175 but he's just not a great fighter. Doesnt have the heart or toughness. He's soft in there.

Say what you want about Joe Calzaghe. But that guy was tough. If he got hurt or knocked down he always fought back. He didn't have KO power, but he always tried to put on a show and didnt care if he got a little reckless. He wanted to please the fans and give them their money's worth. I know its popular to hate Joe for a number of reasons but INSIDE THAT RING.... Joe was all fighter. Give him that much.

Same cannot be said about Dawson whom is content at letting the likes of old man Tarver and old man Johnston last the distance with him. TWICE with both guys. At least Joe would have TRIED to get them out of there. Chad was cool with just jabbing and running his way to a boring points win. Running from two old men to avoid getting hit.

Just a heartless fighter. Didn't even seem to care that he lost his title. Showed total disregard and indifference. I think thats why Larry Merchant got on him,
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post Aug 15 2010, 09:52 PM
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QUOTE (PR316 @ Aug 15 2010, 09:09 PM) *
Had this gone the 12, Pascal would have won anyway.

I guess the question is "Would Dawson have stopped him?" had the headbut not occured.


Even though Pascal looked pretty much spent, alot of it may have had to do with his own layoff as well. Plus, Dawson just doesn't have the killer instinct to finish a hurt fighter under those circumstances. He's more concerned to avoid getting hit. Thats why he has no fanbase. His fights are on HBO because he has a belt and is recognized as the man at 175 but he's just not a great fighter. Doesnt have the heart or toughness. He's soft in there.

Say what you want about Joe Calzaghe. But that guy was tough. If he got hurt or knocked down he always fought back. He didn't have KO power, but he always tried to put on a show and didnt care if he got a little reckless. He wanted to please the fans and give them their money's worth. I know its popular to hate Joe for a number of reasons but INSIDE THAT RING.... Joe was all fighter. Give him that much.

Same cannot be said about Dawson whom is content at letting the likes of old man Tarver and old man Johnston last the distance with him. TWICE with both guys. At least Joe would have TRIED to get them out of there. Chad was cool with just jabbing and running his way to a boring points win. Running from two old men to avoid getting hit.

Just a heartless fighter. Didn't even seem to care that he lost his title. Showed total disregard and indifference. I think thats why Larry Merchant got on him,


Pascal's stamina has never been exceptional, which is why he fights in spurts. He cannot fight 3 minutes of every round. Case in point would be the Froch fight, in which he tired down the straight. The cause of his exhaustion was the same as last night's: Lunging wildly and eneding up out of balance when missing. Chad Dawson is a safety first fighter who likes his opponents to follow him so he can use his reach advantage and speed. Carl Froch is a tall guy who can spear you from the outisde but is not afraid to rumble. His tactic against Pascal was that of a man who knew that if he let his hands go, he was going to get hit, but he would also land more punches. That's what you have to do with Pascal; after he flurries, go after him, because he needs time to regain his strenght. Now the problem here is that Dawson also fights in spurts. The key was the jab and even last night he didn't throw it with convinction.
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- Jack 1000   HBO@10:30P (ET), 9:30P(CT), 7:30P (PT): Dawson vs. Pascal (SPOILERS 15 Minutes Later)   Aug 14 2010, 12:55 PM
- - KOpower   I got it at 58-56 for Pascal. Dawson needs to just...   Aug 14 2010, 10:26 PM
- - The CEO   I got it 5-4 Pascal after 9... Not lookin' g...   Aug 14 2010, 10:37 PM
- - caneman   I t is getting close where Dawson needs a KO IMO...   Aug 14 2010, 10:38 PM
- - The CEO   and right when Dawson starts rockin' Pascal at...   Aug 14 2010, 10:50 PM
- - Imperius3   Damn, I thought Dawson was going to stop Pascal fo...   Aug 14 2010, 10:54 PM
- - Method   THANK GOD that farce that has been "Bad...   Aug 14 2010, 10:57 PM
|- - Aware   QUOTE (Method @ Aug 14 2010, 11:57 PM) TH...   Aug 14 2010, 11:04 PM
|- - Method   QUOTE (Aware @ Aug 15 2010, 12:04 AM) You...   Aug 14 2010, 11:34 PM
|- - Aware   QUOTE (Method @ Aug 15 2010, 12:34 AM) P4...   Aug 14 2010, 11:42 PM
|- - Method   QUOTE (Aware @ Aug 15 2010, 12:42 AM) If ...   Aug 14 2010, 11:44 PM
|- - Aware   QUOTE (Method @ Aug 15 2010, 12:44 AM) I ...   Aug 14 2010, 11:49 PM
- - caneman   Dawson did have him hurt for sure but by then I th...   Aug 14 2010, 11:01 PM
- - E.C.LEGEND   Most pure boxers have a good 1-2 where was Chad...   Aug 14 2010, 11:03 PM
|- - JonnyBlaze   QUOTE (E.C.LEGEND @ Aug 14 2010, 11:03 PM...   Aug 15 2010, 04:37 PM
|- - E.C.LEGEND   QUOTE (JonnyBlaze @ Aug 15 2010, 04:37 PM...   Aug 15 2010, 08:08 PM
- - JD   Dawson is missing "it".   Aug 14 2010, 11:09 PM
|- - The CEO   QUOTE (JD @ Aug 15 2010, 12:09 AM) Dawson...   Aug 14 2010, 11:29 PM
|- - The Ollie Reed Fan Club   QUOTE (JD @ Aug 15 2010, 12:09 AM) Dawson...   Aug 14 2010, 11:39 PM
- - caneman   QUOTE (Aware @ Aug 15 2010, 12:04 AM) You...   Aug 14 2010, 11:15 PM
|- - Aware   QUOTE (caneman @ Aug 15 2010, 12:15 AM) I...   Aug 14 2010, 11:38 PM
|- - Method   QUOTE (Aware @ Aug 15 2010, 12:38 AM) In ...   Aug 14 2010, 11:40 PM
- - caneman   QUOTE (JD @ Aug 15 2010, 12:09 AM) Dawson...   Aug 14 2010, 11:17 PM
- - caneman   QUOTE (Method @ Aug 15 2010, 12:34 AM) P4...   Aug 14 2010, 11:39 PM
- - JD   Lipsey was removed from his senses completely...Pa...   Aug 14 2010, 11:40 PM
- - Method   Right, but both were stopped in their tracks. Had...   Aug 14 2010, 11:43 PM
|- - JD   QUOTE (Method @ Aug 15 2010, 12:43 AM) Ri...   Aug 14 2010, 11:45 PM
- - Method   I wonder what Floyd Sr has to say. Hopefully Perc...   Aug 14 2010, 11:47 PM
- - caneman   He was exposed as a fighter that is unwilling to w...   Aug 14 2010, 11:50 PM
- - Method   Then he came in and tried to convince Larry (and e...   Aug 14 2010, 11:55 PM
|- - Aware   QUOTE (Method @ Aug 15 2010, 12:55 AM) Th...   Aug 15 2010, 12:00 AM
|- - Method   QUOTE (Aware @ Aug 15 2010, 01:00 AM) Do ...   Aug 15 2010, 12:08 AM
|- - Aware   QUOTE (Method @ Aug 15 2010, 01:08 AM) Ag...   Aug 15 2010, 12:17 AM
|- - tymoney   QUOTE (Aware @ Aug 15 2010, 01:17 AM) Wel...   Aug 15 2010, 12:47 AM
|- - Aware   QUOTE (tymoney @ Aug 15 2010, 12:47 AM) B...   Aug 15 2010, 01:04 AM
|- - tymoney   QUOTE (Aware @ Aug 15 2010, 02:04 AM) So ...   Aug 15 2010, 04:50 AM
|- - Method   QUOTE (tymoney @ Aug 15 2010, 05:50 AM) D...   Aug 15 2010, 07:06 AM
|- - Aware   QUOTE (Method @ Aug 15 2010, 07:06 AM) Yu...   Aug 15 2010, 07:57 PM
|- - Method   QUOTE (Aware @ Aug 15 2010, 08:57 PM) Dud...   Aug 15 2010, 08:08 PM
|- - Aware   QUOTE (Method @ Aug 15 2010, 08:08 PM) Ap...   Aug 15 2010, 08:50 PM
|- - Method   QUOTE (Aware @ Aug 15 2010, 09:50 PM) I d...   Aug 15 2010, 09:00 PM
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|- - Method   QUOTE (tymoney @ Aug 15 2010, 01:01 AM) S...   Aug 15 2010, 12:05 AM
- - Lil-lightsout   Did not see the fight, but after watching a few of...   Aug 15 2010, 01:00 AM
- - JD   I don't think Dawson had an off night. He los...   Aug 15 2010, 01:01 AM
|- - salvador   QUOTE (JD @ Aug 15 2010, 01:01 AM) I don...   Aug 15 2010, 01:40 AM
- - ViperSniper   Great fight! Pascal was the busier man all nig...   Aug 15 2010, 01:02 AM
- - BigG   Pascal clearly took it but I had it pretty close 6...   Aug 15 2010, 02:15 AM
- - The Original MrFactor   People dont seem to realize it, but thats the way ...   Aug 15 2010, 02:15 AM
|- - tymoney   QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Aug 15 2010, 0...   Aug 15 2010, 04:44 AM
- - caneman   QUOTE (Aware @ Aug 15 2010, 02:04 AM) So ...   Aug 15 2010, 07:22 AM
- - KookedKrack   I was big on Dawson and still am but last night he...   Aug 15 2010, 08:45 AM
- - caneman   QUOTE (KookedKrack @ Aug 15 2010, 09:45 A...   Aug 15 2010, 09:00 AM
- - JD   Checkmate? LOL...is the thought of someone hav...   Aug 15 2010, 09:04 AM
- - caneman   QUOTE (JD @ Aug 15 2010, 10:04 AM) Checkm...   Aug 15 2010, 09:08 AM
|- - JD   QUOTE (caneman @ Aug 15 2010, 10:08 AM) W...   Aug 15 2010, 09:13 AM
- - caneman   Yea it was! It is easy to type LOL but I was l...   Aug 15 2010, 09:18 AM
- - JLUVBABY   I gotta check this fight out today... i dvr'd ...   Aug 15 2010, 09:24 AM
- - caneman   QUOTE (JLUVBABY @ Aug 15 2010, 10:24 AM) ...   Aug 15 2010, 09:28 AM
|- - JLUVBABY   QUOTE (caneman @ Aug 15 2010, 09:28 AM) I...   Aug 15 2010, 09:43 AM
- - neophyte7   Chad DAWSON has an inflated since of how good he i...   Aug 15 2010, 10:16 AM
- - Mean Mister Mustard   One of the worst things out of all this is that Da...   Aug 15 2010, 10:40 AM
- - Method   No, Cane, you DONT have to watch it again because ...   Aug 15 2010, 11:10 AM
- - caneman   QUOTE (Method @ Aug 15 2010, 12:10 PM) No...   Aug 15 2010, 11:22 AM
- - The CEO   I still can't believe Dawson lost to a Light H...   Aug 15 2010, 11:23 AM
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- - PR316   Had this gone the 12, Pascal would have won anyway...   Aug 15 2010, 09:09 PM
|- - Mean Mister Mustard   QUOTE (PR316 @ Aug 15 2010, 09:09 PM) Had...   Aug 15 2010, 09:52 PM
- - Jack 1000   I had it 7-4 for Pascal. Dawson was not busy enoug...   Aug 16 2010, 12:52 AM
|- - E.C.LEGEND   QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Aug 16 2010, 12:52 AM)...   Aug 16 2010, 12:15 PM
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