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Well for one brutal, a broken orbital eye socket on Margarito, that doent come from an accumulation of bruising punches.

Maybe not from an accumulation, but no reason that a shot that lands just right couldn't do that. With 400+ landed power shots certainly one could have landed with average power just right to produce that result.

Secondly, Floyd is very fast, and so is shane mosley, they never hurt Oscar when they landed like manny did. And you could see Oscar wincing everytime Manny threw.

Oscar faced Mosley in 2003 and faced Mayweather in 2007 at a comfortable 154. Way different than the 140-something pound Oscar of December 2008 who certainly was much less resilient at that point in his career.

I'm too lazy to look up the Compubox numbers right now, but I'd venture to guess that Pacquiao inside the distance probably landed the amount of shots on DLH that Mosley and Mayweather did combined over 24 rounds give or take.

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Well the damage he did to Margarito is a pretty good indicator, pretty much closing both eyes and fracturing an orbital bone. Cotto ended up looking like a battered pulp, so did DLH and that once punch KO of hatton is another good indicator. THere are tons of indicators that suggest is power is well above average. I think it's a fair assessment to believe Pacquiao has better than above average power, but not spectacular power. Compared to other volume punchers like Juan Diaz, Paul Williams and Joe Calzaghe Pacquiao's power is much more dangerous

All of the examples you gave indicate that Pacquiao's power is AVERAGE, as it took hundreds of power punches landed on Margarito, Cotto and DLH to produce those results.

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there is a differance in one punch ko power and average power though brutal. Manny hits much harder than average.

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for example i dont recall paul spadafora doing that type of damage when landing a ton of punches. Yet he hit fast enough and hard enough to discourage opponents

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Also a fighter that is an average power puncher wouldnt drop JMM in one round. He dropped morales, and barrera, crushes hatton, cotto, margarito, dlh. But he has average power, lol

Oh im sorry they were all either old shot weight drained or all three.

Excuse train coming through, all aboard

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there is a differance in one punch ko power and average power though brutal. Manny hits much harder than average.

As power increases you enter the realm of 1 punch KO power. Very few fighters relatively have 1 punch KO power, and I don't feel a fighter needs to have that type of power to be considered a "better than average puncher." I simply don't believe based on what we've seen of Pacquiao that his power is anything above average. His SPEED is, which gives the impression that his power is greater than it is.

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for example i dont recall paul spadafora doing that type of damage when landing a ton of punches. Yet he hit fast enough and hard enough to discourage opponents

Paul is known for being a BELOW average puncher. Similar to Malignaggi. I don't think anyone would rate his power as being enough to be considered average.

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Also a fighter that is an average power puncher wouldnt drop JMM in one round. He dropped morales, and barrera, crushes hatton, cotto, margarito, dlh. But he has average power, lol

When you hit a guy with fast shots they don't see coming, ESPECIALLY when it's a minute into a fight sure they can. Have you heard of flash knockdowns? If Pacquiao had above average power he would have KO Marquez catching him cold that early. Average power produced multiple flash knockdowns.

And it took HUNDREDS of punches to produce the results he did on Barrera, Cotto, Margarito and DLH so you naming them just helps make MY point... that his power is average. If you have average power and hit a guy with 400 fast power punches I'd expect him to get stopped late. If you had ABOVE AVERAGE POWER and hit a guy with 400 fast power punches I'd expect him to be KTFO long before the count reached the hundreds.

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Watch the video, and dispute the facts idiot. Is it illegal in most states? Answer is yes

Does it help you throw with more power without feeling pain? Answer is yes.

Jim Lampley documented Floyds Xylocane use on HBO

Fuck Jim Lampley dipshit? You ever broke a hand and tried to play football, hoops or box? what are you a bitch? You need a media guy to tell you what happens to an atheletes body when he has a broken bone. Who the fuck is Lampley? A doctor dipshit? Guess atheletic competetion wasn't your thing. But you're sittin here talkin bout some shit you've never used in a sport you never participated in. This truly makes you an idiot Fucknuts!

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Fuck Jim Lampley dipshit? You ever broke a hand and tried to play football, hoops or box? what are you a bitch? You need a media guy to tell you what happens to an atheletes body when he has a broken bone. Who the fuck is Lampley? A doctor dipshit? Guess atheletic competetion wasn't your thing. But you're sittin here talkin bout some shit you've never used in a sport you never participated in. This truly makes you an idiot Fucknuts!

OK i'm going to have to slow this down for you, because your not mature enough to understand.

Floyd wasnt injecting his hands because they were broken before a fight dipshit. He was injecting them to numb them, so he wouldnt feel any pain if they were damaged in a fight. Boxing is a game of pain, of breaking your opponent down. Look how many greats have fought through broken jaws, and hands.

The injections are illegal in 48 states. so any problem you have with mannys handwraps, which were filmed and passed inspection i might add, is no worse than floyd using an illegal substance on his hands. Well illegal in 48 states.

As for my athletic past, you know nothing about me or my past, and i have nothing to prove to the ball washer of the washington high school boxing champ.