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post Dec 21 2010, 10:27 AM
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Adam Booth, manager and trainer of WBA heavyweight champion David Haye, is claiming that his fighter actually budged to the financial demands of WBO/IBO/IBF champion Wladimir Klitschko. There is only one problem, Booth claims Klitschko is refusing to sign the agreement, but never gives an exact reason as to why Klitschko is stalling

The big issue with getting a deal done was the British pay-per-view money. Klitschko wanted 50% and Haye was refusing to give it up. Now Haye has offered, according to Booth, 50% of the British television revenue. Booth even claims that Haye is willing to fight Klitschko in Germany - if the fight generates the most money in that country.

Booth told the Guardian: "I have been negotiating with Bernd Boente, Wladimir Klitschko's manager, and two days ago I offered him a 50-50 split of everything, including the British pay-per-view money. And that the fight could be on RTL [the German TV station] and could be held anywhere they wanted to make the most revenue, including in Germany.

"Those were the only two points we were negotiating. But [Klitschko's manager] Bernd Boente came back and said: 'No point continuing. Forget about it. You do your fight and we'll do ours.' Wladimir was copied in on all the emails so I don't know why they are refusing. That is the question Boente refused to answer. Either Wladimir does not want to fight David Haye or, maybe, it is because they have this deal with RTL and they want to get that fight out of the way."

If Klitschko does not finalize a deal with Haye by January 11, then he must honor an existing agreement to fight unbeaten British boxer Dereck Chisora. Klitschko was set to face Chisora on December 11, but withdrew with an injury. The contract calls for a 30-day period which allows Klitschko to find a new opponent. If there is no movement in 30-days, Klitschko must reschedule the Chisora fight.

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post Jan 3 2011, 07:40 AM
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Ollie, you won't be surprised to read that I am yet to read a plausible explanation for how Haye can defeat either of the Klitschko's.  Does he run in and hope to do a Corrie Sanders ruthless assault on Wlad, does he attempt to use speed of movement and try to take the fight on points?  Does he play a game of patience waiting for the moment to loop his right hand over the top of Wlad's jab and take him out with one shot?  Does he even hit harder enough to drop Wlad with one shot? 

Everything points to Haye finding himself outgunned and outclassed.  See, speed is supposed to be Haye's big advantage but Wad is no slouch in the speed department and he possesses timing as well.  Timing kills speed alone and Wlad has both.  A jab from Wlad is strong enough to seriously hurt Haye and put him in trouble. 

However, I have convinced myself that Haye will win the fights.  The key for a Haye victory is to get inside.  Wlad cannot use his advantages on the inside at all and David Haye is elusive enough when he is on his game to slip the jab and land two, three punches up close.  He can then get outside again because Wlad does not have the heart of a warrior and won't recklessly fire back even though the opportunity will present itself.  Both men will tire down the stretch but it is Haye who will have the mental strength to overcome adversity and Wlad who will begin to doubt himself.  The right hand over the top will be a frequent weapon for Haye and by round 8 both men will be badly swollen around the eyes.  Haye, weighing little over 208-210 will have trained for a long fight and trained to stay on his toes..  Wlad is unable to maul him and in round 10 a right hand from Haye will sit Wladimir on the seat of his behind.  He will climb up but Haye will
jump him and several more punches will result in the referees intervention..

We will find out in late April early May.
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post Jan 3 2011, 08:09 AM
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QUOTE (SENTRAL @ Jan 3 2011, 04:40 AM) *
Ollie, you won't be surprised to read that I am yet to read a plausible explanation for how Haye can defeat either of the Klitschko's.  Does he run in and hope to do a Corrie Sanders ruthless assault on Wlad, does he attempt to use speed of movement and try to take the fight on points?  Does he play a game of patience waiting for the moment to loop his right hand over the top of Wlad's jab and take him out with one shot?  Does he even hit harder enough to drop Wlad with one shot? 

Everything points to Haye finding himself outgunned and outclassed.  See, speed is supposed to be Haye's big advantage but Wad is no slouch in the speed department and he possesses timing as well.  Timing kills speed alone and Wlad has both.  A jab from Wlad is strong enough to seriously hurt Haye and put him in trouble. 

However, I have convinced myself that Haye will win the fights.  The key for a Haye victory is to get inside.  Wlad cannot use his advantages on the inside at all and David Haye is elusive enough when he is on his game to slip the jab and land two, three punches up close.  He can then get outside again because Wlad does not have the heart of a warrior and won't recklessly fire back even though the opportunity will present itself.  Both men will tire down the stretch but it is Haye who will have the mental strength to overcome adversity and Wlad who will begin to doubt himself.  The right hand over the top will be a frequent weapon for Haye and by round 8 both men will be badly swollen around the eyes.  Haye, weighing little over 208-210 will have trained for a long fight and trained to stay on his toes..  Wlad is unable to maul him and in round 10 a right hand from Haye will sit Wladimir on the seat of his behind.  He will climb up but Haye will
jump him and several more punches will result in the referees intervention..

We will find out in late April early May.

Nice breakdown Sentral.

The problem with getting inside with Wlad is his proclivity for tying dudes up. Getting in and out, Pac style, is the key, and making Wlad throw more punches and stay more active than he is comfortable with. I also think Haye needs to catch Wlad early with something heavy that gets Wlads attention at least (if it doesn't drop him). Wlad would then use his energy protecting the china, unless it awakened the beast in him and he just beat the living dogshit out of Haye.

I really think this is the heavyweight fight we have all been waiting for. At least it has the potential of being so.
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- D-MARV   David Haye   Dec 21 2010, 10:27 AM
- - lloyd mayflower   Almost fell asleep reading that article. These two...   Dec 21 2010, 10:46 AM
- - Sunni6Killer   Wake me when they're face to face in the ring.   Dec 21 2010, 01:26 PM
- - gravytrain   somehow i'm thinking Haye is making it seem li...   Dec 21 2010, 04:25 PM
- - BGv2.0   I don't know...I mean Haye is really at the en...   Dec 21 2010, 05:31 PM
- - D-MARV   Is this deal fair? I hope that Wlad will call his ...   Dec 21 2010, 10:08 PM
|- - gravytrain   QUOTE (D-MARV @ Dec 21 2010, 10:08 P...   Dec 21 2010, 10:37 PM
- - Byrd Man   with all this talk about "we'll have the ...   Dec 24 2010, 11:26 PM
|- - gravytrain   QUOTE (Byrd Man @ Dec 24 2010, 11:26 PM) ...   Dec 30 2010, 05:03 PM
- - lloyd mayflower   They could get at least a small football stadium f...   Dec 25 2010, 04:56 AM
- - D-MARV   What are you guys talking about? This fight belon...   Dec 25 2010, 09:37 AM
|- - BGv2.0   QUOTE (D-MARV @ Dec 25 2010, 09:37 A...   Dec 27 2010, 11:41 AM
- - BGv2.0   Looks like this fight is almost a done deal. Paper...   Dec 30 2010, 01:33 PM
- - SENTRAL   If it goes to vegas it loses mega appeal. Europe a...   Dec 30 2010, 02:16 PM
- - Maxy   If it's gonna happen, like it should, if Haye ...   Jan 2 2011, 04:36 PM
|- - SmartyBeardo   QUOTE (Maxy @ Jan 2 2011, 01:36 PM) If it...   Jan 2 2011, 04:39 PM
|- - Maxy   QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ Jan 2 2011, 04:39 P...   Jan 2 2011, 04:41 PM
- - D-MARV   I don't understand the logic behind staging th...   Jan 2 2011, 05:59 PM
- - JLUVBABY   something tells me haye doesnt fight either brothe...   Jan 2 2011, 07:18 PM
|- - gravytrain   QUOTE (JLUVBABY @ Jan 2 2011, 07:18 PM) s...   Jan 2 2011, 07:55 PM
- - SmartyBeardo   QUOTE (JLUVBABY @ Jan 2 2011, 04:18 PM) s...   Jan 2 2011, 08:13 PM
- - Lil-lightsout   I think he will. And say he fights Wlad first...t...   Jan 2 2011, 08:15 PM
|- - SmartyBeardo   QUOTE (Lil-lightsout @ Jan 2 2011, 05...   Jan 2 2011, 08:17 PM
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|- - The Ollie Reed Fan Club   QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ Jan 2 2011, 10:24 P...   Jan 3 2011, 05:32 AM
- - SENTRAL   I hate to say it but Haye beats them both. I didnt...   Jan 3 2011, 06:25 AM
|- - The Ollie Reed Fan Club   QUOTE (SENTRAL @ Jan 3 2011, 06:25 AM) I ...   Jan 3 2011, 06:41 AM
|- - SmartyBeardo   QUOTE (SENTRAL @ Jan 3 2011, 03:25 AM) I ...   Jan 3 2011, 07:47 AM
- - SENTRAL   Ollie, you won't be surprised to read that I a...   Jan 3 2011, 07:40 AM
|- - SmartyBeardo   QUOTE (SENTRAL @ Jan 3 2011, 04:40 AM) Ol...   Jan 3 2011, 08:09 AM
|- - BGv2.0   QUOTE (SENTRAL @ Jan 3 2011, 08:40 AM) , ...   Jan 3 2011, 03:21 PM
|- - The Ollie Reed Fan Club   QUOTE (SENTRAL @ Jan 3 2011, 08:40 AM) Ol...   Jan 3 2011, 05:29 PM
- - JD   Wlad will batter Haye badly.   Jan 3 2011, 03:39 PM
|- - gravytrain   QUOTE (JD @ Jan 3 2011, 03:39 PM) Wlad wi...   Jan 3 2011, 04:55 PM
|- - D-MARV   QUOTE (JD @ Jan 3 2011, 03:39 PM) Wlad wi...   Jan 3 2011, 11:08 PM
|- - JD   QUOTE (D-MARV @ Jan 3 2011, 11:08 PM...   Jan 4 2011, 08:02 AM
|- - Warlord   QUOTE (JD @ Jan 4 2011, 09:02 AM) He won...   Jan 5 2011, 12:37 AM
- - The CEO   Wlad Klitschko will make an example of David Haye....   Jan 3 2011, 08:22 PM
|- - SmartyBeardo   QUOTE (The CEO @ Jan 3 2011, 05:22 PM) Wl...   Jan 3 2011, 09:45 PM
- - The CEO   lol...JD and I have been all over this call for ag...   Jan 4 2011, 08:44 AM
|- - SmartyBeardo   QUOTE (The CEO @ Jan 4 2011, 05:44 AM) lo...   Jan 4 2011, 09:42 AM
- - Maxy   Until the fight is signed and sealed, an even then...   Jan 4 2011, 11:27 AM
- - Maxy   Another twist in this frustrating tale. Wladimir ...   Jan 5 2011, 12:01 PM
- - JD   As a tuneup for Haye on 7/2   Jan 5 2011, 12:33 PM
- - PR316   I still don't think Haye will go through with ...   Jan 5 2011, 01:07 PM
- - JLUVBABY   i wont believe in this fight till i see them both ...   Jan 5 2011, 01:49 PM
- - PR316   Lol. Not surprised. He's gotta be shitti...   Jan 5 2011, 06:57 PM
- - D-MARV   Does Wlad really need to fight this tune up? I wou...   Jan 5 2011, 07:08 PM
|- - JD   QUOTE (D-MARV @ Jan 5 2011, 07:08 PM...   Jan 6 2011, 07:57 AM
|- - Maxy   QUOTE (JD @ Jan 6 2011, 07:57 AM) Apparen...   Jan 6 2011, 08:10 AM
||- - JD   QUOTE (Maxy @ Jan 6 2011, 08:10 AM) Yeah ...   Jan 6 2011, 08:16 AM
|- - D-MARV   QUOTE (JD @ Jan 6 2011, 07:57 AM) Apparen...   Jan 6 2011, 09:20 AM
|- - JD   QUOTE (D-MARV @ Jan 6 2011, 09:20 AM...   Jan 6 2011, 09:47 AM
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- - Romulus9   Haye's "done" with the Klitschkos. ...   Jan 5 2011, 07:43 PM
|- - Warlord   QUOTE (Romulus9 @ Jan 5 2011, 08:43 PM) H...   Jan 6 2011, 12:17 AM
- - ViperSniper   QUOTE (Fitz @ Jan 6 2011, 01:47 AM) Yep, ...   Jan 5 2011, 09:22 PM
- - D-MARV   The ONLY fights to make at heavyweight is Haye vs ...   Jan 6 2011, 06:01 AM
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|- - D-MARV   QUOTE (Fitz @ Jan 6 2011, 06:05 AM) [/fac...   Jan 6 2011, 09:15 AM
|- - Fitz   QUOTE (D-MARV @ Jan 7 2011, 01:15 AM...   Jan 6 2011, 04:28 PM
- - Maxy   Yeah the TV companies wouldn't accept April 30...   Jan 6 2011, 08:20 AM
- - The CEO   From 8 months ago... QUOTE WBO/IBO/IBF heavyweigh...   Jan 6 2011, 10:04 AM
|- - Maxy   QUOTE (The CEO @ Jan 6 2011, 10:04 AM) It...   Jan 6 2011, 10:27 AM
|- - Spyder   QUOTE (Maxy @ Jan 6 2011, 10:27 AM) I hon...   Jan 6 2011, 10:36 AM
- - SENTRAL   Haye must be distraught at this. He thought the Kl...   Jan 6 2011, 10:56 AM
- - JLUVBABY   personally i dont see why wkad should except the c...   Jan 6 2011, 10:58 AM
- - BGv2.0   I hope this Chisora dude gets the upset....it...   Jan 6 2011, 12:19 PM
- - gravytrain   If I was in Wlad's position I'd probably d...   Jan 6 2011, 04:41 PM
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- - D-MARV   I can't see ANY POSSIBLE way that someone can ...   Jan 6 2011, 07:32 PM
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|- - D-MARV   QUOTE (Fitz @ Jan 7 2011, 01:52 AM) I...   Jan 7 2011, 05:39 AM
- - Maxy   The whole problem here is the Chisora fight and it...   Jan 7 2011, 03:36 AM
- - Warlord   Wlad gave Haye a date. Haye didn't want it. ...   Jan 7 2011, 03:53 AM
- - STEVENSKI   Phil Anselmo's opinion is spot on. Pretty funn...   Jan 7 2011, 04:34 AM
- - Maxy   Wlad has signed to fight Adamek in September accor...   Jan 7 2011, 05:49 AM
|- - Fitz   QUOTE (Maxy @ Jan 7 2011, 09:49 PM) Wlad ...   Jan 7 2011, 07:01 AM
- - Maxy   Well, that's that then. No chance Wlad is goi...   Jan 7 2011, 07:32 AM
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