[Run and Gun Game...]

Exactly sh*t happens just like the Chonan sub.

Silva was clearly not the fighter then that he is today anyone saying otherwise is full of sh*t. Those losses to me where like Pacqiuao's early losses. The Anderson of today would kill Chonan and Takase with ease.

C'mon War Silva can't be uglier than Fedor though. LOL

Just a couple of points. Fedor is far from unskilled on his feet. Are his strikes as pretty as silvas? Nope, but it doesnt make him less effective.

secondly to say sak was not a great wrestler is insane. Dude have you watched his old pride fights? he beat legendary fighters regularly in or near their prime.

carlos newton
vernon white
vitor belfort
royce gracie
ryan gracie
renzo gracie
royler gracie
rampage jackson
kevin randallman
ken shamrock
igor vovchanchen


in his prime sakuraba squashes silva, and thats no insult to silva.

[STEVENSKI]

I'd rather be Fedor getting losses at the tail end of my career by fighters who outweigh me by nearly 50 pounds, than Anderson Silva getting subbed in his physical prime by smaller, D- fighters.

Agreed 100%.

[STEVENSKI]

Good answer, bazooka...BUUUT


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That's the way it is...

Aaaaahhhhhhhhh!

[Warlord]

Just a couple of points. Fedor is far from unskilled on his feet. Are his strikes as pretty as silvas? Nope, but it doesnt make him less effective.

secondly to say sak was not a great wrestler is insane. Dude have you watched his old pride fights? he beat legendary fighters regularly in or near their prime.

carlos newton
vernon white
vitor belfort
royce gracie
ryan gracie
renzo gracie
royler gracie
rampage jackson
kevin randallman
ken shamrock
igor vovchanchen


in his prime sakuraba squashes silva, and thats no insult to silva.

You're the man, Run and Gun. I don't think I've ever disagreed with you about anything MMA-related.

One small note though, Sakuraba didn't actually beat Vovchanchyn. Technically it was a loss, though I don't know of anyone who actually counts it as such. Sakuraba dominated the much stronger Igor, even though he was coming off his epic 1 and a half hour battle with Royce earlier that evening. He gassed with about a minute and a half though, and caught a wicked beating in the last minute, which was enough for the judges to rule it a draw and demand an extra round to settle it. (This was the Grand Prix and there had to be a winner.) Sakuraba's corner refused to let him fight any longer and Igor was officially declared the winner.

I've never agreed with the draw though. Pride had the 10 kilo rule which stated that a fighter at a 10 kilo disadvantage (or more) would be given the nod in the event of a close fight. The rule was in effect that night, and Sakuraba clearly did enough to be given the fight in light of that rule.

All that aside, I give Sakuraba more credit in that loss than any victory I've ever seen out of Anderson Silva.

I really hate it when TUF noobs start disrespecting legends of the sport like Sakuraba. If not for guys like Sakuraba, Royce Gracie, Wanderlei Silva, and Fedor, where would MMA be right now? Nowhere. Pride was built on the backs of those guys. And Pride, in turn, produced most of the fighters you now see in the UFC.

[kidbazooka1]

your kidding me you discredit some of silvas opponents but give sak credit for beating vernon white ryan gracie. Get the out of here with that shit war. Also the vitor that just fought silva was on a better win streak than the one who fought sak yet he took sak the distance but got squashed by silva in the first. The silva that lost earlier in his career was not in his peak skillwise and like i said was not the same silva of today so lets not even go there.

[Run and Gun Game...]

your kidding me you discredit some of silvas opponents but give sak credit for beating vernon white ryan gracie. Get the out of here with that shit war. Also the vitor that just fought silva was on a better win streak than the one who fought sak yet he took sak the distance but got squashed by silva in the first. The silva that lost earlier in his career was not in his peak skillwise and like i said was not the same silva of today so lets not even go there.

Bazooka, cry winning streak all you want, but Belfort isnt the fighter he was earlier in his career. He has taken to many beatings. He was a name dana white could sell. if you care to look back before this fight happened, I called bullshit from day one. That was a joke of a fight. Maybe we should line up tank abbot with fedor and all celebrate the glorious return of fedor as the best heavyweight in the world.

The belfort fight was nothing to brag about dude, it was a bullshit fight.

[Run and Gun Game...]

warlord, your right about the igor fight, for some reason I was remembering sak getting the decision.

But I mean if you really want to compair records. Guy Mezger was about the same level of rich franklin as a fighter, and sak beat his ass.

[kidbazooka1]

But I mean if you really want to compair records. Guy Mezger was about the same level of rich franklin as a fighter, and sak beat his ass.

Ok lets compair Mezger quit after 15 mins because of some dispute over the time limit. Anderson KTFO of Franklin and rearanged his nose in the process. You tell me who looked better.

Sak beat an already past his prime Royce who hadn't fought on over 5 yrs in an hour and half fight c'mom lol. Royce like Fujita couldnt throw a correct punch if his life depended on it and by the time they met the sport had past Royce up big time. And Ryan c'mon man just because you have the Gracie name doesn't make you a world beater let me see i guess Roger gracie is an elite fighter too. LOL

The best Gracie ever was Rickson hands down even Royce and Renzo would admit to that.

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[Warlord]

The best Gracie ever was Rickson hands down even Royce and Renzo would admit to that.

I think we can all agree on that. And Rickson refused to fight Sakuraba. That right there ought to tell you something. The man watched 5 of his kin get humiliated, and I do mean humiliated, at the hands of Kazushi Sakuraba. Sakuraba played around with Royce's gi, spanked Ryan, broke Renzo's arm, beat the shit out of Royler and had him butt-scooting around the ring, black and blue, like a little bitch, begging Saku to make it a ground fight.

And, somehow, Rickson couldn't get himself up for the fight? I love Rickson, absolutely. But the Gracie's are some of the proudest people I've ever seen. Ever. I'd even qualify it as arrogance. They just truly believe their family is the absolute best, period. So it should be a testament to just what a bad ass a prime Saku really was, when the top Gracie refused to fight him after he literally wiped his ass with half the family.

Prime Sakuraba arm-bars a prime Anderson Silva. It's no disrespect to Anderson to say that. It's just the truth.


I won't bother to debate Saku's victory over Vitor to Anderson's. Anderson won by front kick. Saku did an M. Bison (Street Fighter II) flying face stomp on Vitor, and literally took his heart in that fight. Saku wins on cool points there.

Saku had better entrances too. Anderson comes out to some gay DMX and gay hugs Steven Segal before his fights. Come on.

[Warlord]

P.S. Guy Mezger was a better fighter than Rich Franklin, imo, regardless of what their records say. Guy got shafted many, many times, coming out on the wrong end of decisions that he clearly should have won. Who did Rich Franklin ever beat that was in their prime?