[mexi-cutioner]

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[Maxy]

Just seen the Lemieux fight and the fella definitely needs a lot of work if he's to make the grade. Only 22 so still has time and this will either prove to be the eye opener his career needed or he'll regress and just become one of those hyped up fighters who never quite cut it. Definitely no Nigel Benn about this fella though but I'll reserve judgment on him...Benn was 22-0 with 22 KO's when he got stopped by Watson but he made a great career for himself in the long run.

[gravytrain]

i see you are stuck in your opinion and it is much respected... its yours... i will respectfully disagree... 1 loss doesnt put a fighter into bum status in my view but hey... you have your own views on how things roll... lol.... we all do for that matter... just as the case of mayweather and spad... yeah id pick mayweather to win all day long if they fight but i wont call it a win till they fight, the final bell sounds and mays hand is raised in victory... anything can happen with those 12 rounds or less of action...

it's not that he lost. it's how he lost, who he lost to, and the hype surrounding the guy. this guy was ranked by everyone in the top 10 or right outside of it by everyone at MW and in my opinion didn't really have the body of work to justify it. he did have a high activity level but taking on guys that got knocked out their fight before you and have lost 3/5 going into a fight with you isn't going to help you grow as a fighter just provide somebody to stop in 2 rounds. i think this fight really showed that Lemieux was being matched more for the money and entertaining the fans than helping him grow as a fighter and that his skill level was really overestimated because of all the stoppages.

he's not a bum because he got beat, he's a bum because i really have my doubts how well he'll do in the ring with the top guys of the division and in my opinion is going to be even more of a bust than he already is. this cat is going to be the Sebastian Telfair of boxing.

Deal, and if Khan beats Bradley, you've gotta make the pic posted as your avatar and your signature has to be "David Lemieux #1 P4P fighter in the world from the #1 P4P Country in the world! OH CANADA!!!! <3 <3 <3"

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i'll be on the nuts of Lemieux like it's JLo's ass.

[JLUVBABY]

it's not that he lost. it's how he lost, who he lost to, and the hype surrounding the guy. this guy was ranked by everyone in the top 10 or right outside of it by everyone at MW and in my opinion didn't really have the body of work to justify it. he did have a high activity level but taking on guys that got knocked out their fight before you and have lost 3/5 going into a fight with you isn't going to help you grow as a fighter just provide somebody to stop in 2 rounds. i think this fight really showed that Lemieux was being matched more for the money and entertaining the fans than helping him grow as a fighter and that his skill level was really overestimated because of all the stoppages.

he's not a bum because he got beat, he's a bum because i really have my doubts how well he'll do in the ring with the top guys of the division and in my opinion is going to be even more of a bust than he already is. this cat is going to be the Sebastian Telfair of boxing.

i got you gravy... lol... well like i said you are entitled to your opinion.... i wasnt aware that kirkland came out of the penn and automatically recieved a ranking at mw... if that happened then i'll agree with you that was b.s... i back you all day long on that... as far as this japenese guy... again... i wont just totally dismiss the kid off this one loss.. i think the guy came here motivated and wasnt here to lay down for kirkland nor was he intimidated by the circumstances... and he is a former wba interim champion to boot so YOU can call the guy a scrub but he had to have displayed some type of skill at some point in his career to win a strap... even if it was a paper belt which is what he obviously held... bums dont get to the point of paper champion... they have something rather it be enough to beat the elite or not... but if you havent and the rest of you havent you might wanna check the guys boxrec like i just did to make sure im not missing anything.... most of Nobuhiro Ishida's losses came earlier in his career with his last fight before kirkland being a split decision loss where he lost the wba interim title via sd... prior to that he was on 11 fight streak where he had not lost a fight with 10 wins and 1 draw... you can argue the quality of opponents but a bum fighter just doesnt rack off that many wins in a row... call him a bum... call kirkland a bum... i am very confident in saying you are wrong in your assessment and any one that agrees with you is wrong as well but that is my opinion... i think the more likely scenario may be kirkland, while also needing better training if he is going to go far in the sport may have played a factor, ran into a fighter that is coming into his own as a fighter and his record shows that and what happened in the fight is the result of the very prepared up and comer unknown fighter for the most part other than that interim title he held briefly vs an over confident underprepared prospect that most people know of... im not gonna take away from this japanese kid who came here and fought his heart out and EARNED his win...

and kirkland a bum fighter?... not by any means.. he has beaten some descent fighters along the way... true bums dont rack up 27-0 24 ko's and knocking out joel julio and brian vera along the way... see that thinking has a trickle effect when you say that as to who are really bums in the sport... cuzz kirkland ko'd brian vera that just beat mora that drew with mosley and beat vernon forrest... and im using your method of logic here gravy and using your logic with knowing a bum fighter like kirkland as you consider him was good enough to walk through vera... well then vera must REALLY be a bum right?... which makes mora even more a bum right?... which makes shane mosley a shot bum and vernon forrest an even bigger bum than mora right?... just saying... nothing is ever exact in this sport... this type of stuff happens to fighters... its a part of the sport... kirkland needs a lot of work and better preperation and probably needs to go back to ann wolfe if he is going to reach the top... ALL DAY LONG..... but a bum... I'M not gonna label him a bum off one defeat...

[SmartyBeardo]

Lemieux has found his ceiling; long, tough, seasoned boxers with good chins and decent pop. His handlers can manage expectations and cherrypick opposition for him to KO in the tiny French CanadaLand aquarium for years to come, making plenty of money doing it.

Rubio was in control of this fight from round 3 on. He was just waiting for the opening while playing it safe and letting Lemieux wear down (with some help). Those who suggest that Lemieux's problem is that he burned himself out by throwing nothing but heat miss the point, entirely.

In order for Lemieux to succeed (outside of the tiny French CanadaLand aquarium) he must be Rocky Marciano reincarnated: tireless, relentless, unstoppable, with devastating power. Sorry Mexi-cutioner, Sentral, etc, Lemieux fails to measure up on any of those levels.

He was beaten down by a better boxer who was better trained, more determined and just flat out tougher. Rubio sonned Lemieux.

There are certain things that you cannot overcome in professional boxing without phenomenal toughness and/or spectacular speed. Bantamweight length arms at middleweight is one of those things.

Lemieux needs to go back to the gold fish bowl where he can be safe and fed well. He aint no Dempsey or Marciano or Frazier or Hagler or Mancini or Nigel Benn or Macho Camacho. He is a C level fighter (at best) who will always be nothing but food for the big fish.

[The CEO]

Lemieux has found his ceiling; long, tough, seasoned boxers with good chins and decent pop. His handlers can manage expectations and cherrypick opposition for him to KO in the tiny French CanadaLand aquarium for years to come, making plenty of money doing it.

Rubio was in control of this fight from round 3 on. He was just waiting for the opening while playing it safe and letting Lemieux wear down (with some help). Those who suggest that Lemieux's problem is that he burned himself out by throwing nothing but heat miss the point, entirely.

In order for Lemieux to succeed (outside of the tiny French CanadaLand aquarium) he must be Rocky Marciano reincarnated: tireless, relentless, unstoppable, with devastating power. Sorry Mexi-cutioner, Sentral, etc, Lemieux fails to measure up on any of those levels.

He was beaten down by a better boxer who was better trained, more determined and just flat out tougher. Rubio sonned Lemieux.

There are certain things that you cannot overcome in professional boxing without phenomenal toughness and/or spectacular speed. Bantamweight length arms at middleweight is one of those things.

Lemieux needs to go back to the gold fish bowl where he can be safe and fed well. He aint no Dempsey or Marciano or Frazier or Hagler or Mancini or Nigel Benn or Macho Camacho. He is a C level fighter (at best) who will always be nothing but food for the big fish.

Well put, Bearded One....well put.

Rubio evaluated Lemieux' game and power, played him, and tucked him in...neatly.

Textbook stuff really...

[gravytrain]

i got you gravy... lol... well like i said you are entitled to your opinion.... i wasnt aware that kirkland came out of the penn and automatically recieved a ranking at mw... if that happened then i'll agree with you that was b.s... i back you all day long on that... as far as this japenese guy... again... i wont just totally dismiss the kid off this one loss.. i think the guy came here motivated and wasnt here to lay down for kirkland nor was he intimidated by the circumstances... and he is a former wba interim champion to boot so YOU can call the guy a scrub but he had to have displayed some type of skill at some point in his career to win a strap... even if it was a paper belt which is what he obviously held... bums dont get to the point of paper champion... they have something rather it be enough to beat the elite or not... but if you havent and the rest of you havent you might wanna check the guys boxrec like i just did to make sure im not missing anything.... most of Nobuhiro Ishida's losses came earlier in his career with his last fight before kirkland being a split decision loss where he lost the wba interim title via sd... prior to that he was on 11 fight streak where he had not lost a fight with 10 wins and 1 draw... you can argue the quality of opponents but a bum fighter just doesnt rack off that many wins in a row... call him a bum... call kirkland a bum... i am very confident in saying you are wrong in your assessment and any one that agrees with you is wrong as well but that is my opinion... i think the more likely scenario may be kirkland, while also needing better training if he is going to go far in the sport may have played a factor, ran into a fighter that is coming into his own as a fighter and his record shows that and what happened in the fight is the result of the very prepared up and comer unknown fighter for the most part other than that interim title he held briefly vs an over confident underprepared prospect that most people know of... im not gonna take away from this japanese kid who came here and fought his heart out and EARNED his win...

and kirkland a bum fighter?... not by any means.. he has beaten some descent fighters along the way... true bums dont rack up 27-0 24 ko's and knocking out joel julio and brian vera along the way... see that thinking has a trickle effect when you say that as to who are really bums in the sport... cuzz kirkland ko'd brian vera that just beat mora that drew with mosley and beat vernon forrest... and im using your method of logic here gravy and using your logic with knowing a bum fighter like kirkland as you consider him was good enough to walk through vera... well then vera must REALLY be a bum right?... which makes mora even more a bum right?... which makes shane mosley a shot bum and vernon forrest an even bigger bum than mora right?... just saying... nothing is ever exact in this sport... this type of stuff happens to fighters... its a part of the sport... kirkland needs a lot of work and better preperation and probably needs to go back to ann wolfe if he is going to reach the top... ALL DAY LONG..... but a bum... I'M not gonna label him a bum off one defeat...

you can go from being a great fighter to being a bum. look at SRR, dude went from being a living legend to being stopped by nobodies. it's a different situation but in a sport like boxing names on the resume are impressive but don't mean anything if you're losing and looking vulnerable, if you don't have it anymore your status can decline and you wont be the fighter you once were. Kirkland i think just needs more time in the ring but for the time being he isn't what he once was and isn't anything special right now. he can change my opinion on him but for now he's a bum because he just came in at his opponent time after time getting caught every time. that's showing me that he can't adapt, use defense, range, or pick shots.

the rest of it is really just a difference in opinion and since we've been through it i'm cool with saying we just think about things differently lol.

[JLUVBABY]

you can go from being a great fighter to being a bum. look at SRR, dude went from being a living legend to being stopped by nobodies. it's a different situation but in a sport like boxing names on the resume are impressive but don't mean anything if you're losing and looking vulnerable, if you don't have it anymore your status can decline and you wont be the fighter you once were. Kirkland i think just needs more time in the ring but for the time being he isn't what he once was and isn't anything special right now. he can change my opinion on him but for now he's a bum because he just came in at his opponent time after time getting caught every time. that's showing me that he can't adapt, use defense, range, or pick shots.

the rest of it is really just a difference in opinion and since we've been through it i'm cool with saying we just think about things differently lol.

you are right fighters can make that transformation... im just saying i cant say that bout kirkland or for lemieux for that matter after the one fight... maybe they have... but if they have we'll see it next time they fight in some form or fashion... but at the end of the day you know we good wavy gravy... lol... we just conversating...

[gravytrain]

you are right fighters can make that transformation... im just saying i cant say that bout kirkland or for lemieux for that matter after the one fight... maybe they have... but if they have we'll see it next time they fight in some form or fashion... but at the end of the day you know we good wavy gravy... lol... we just conversating...

i can see your point, it's hard to really say it about either fighter because both still have a lot to prove. i just think Lemieux wasn't the fighter the KO percentage showed him as and he'll have some real trouble in the MW division with his t rex arms. he's the power but he really just doesn't have the style or skill to deliver it and to deliver it he's gonna have to get close to guys that aren't just going to let him hit them. this loss to Rubio might be the beginning of the end for him as a legit ranked fighter. i kind of want to give the better shot to Kirkland because if he got with somebody like Naazim Richardson who has 2 fighters both close to retirement he'd be the main man and Richardson has the plans.

[The Ollie Reed F...]

i can see your point, it's hard to really say it about either fighter because both still have a lot to prove. i just think Lemieux wasn't the fighter the KO percentage showed him as and he'll have some real trouble in the MW division with his t rex arms. he's the power but he really just doesn't have the style or skill to deliver it and to deliver it he's gonna have to get close to guys that aren't just going to let him hit them. this loss to Rubio might be the beginning of the end for him as a legit ranked fighter. i kind of want to give the better shot to Kirkland because if he got with somebody like Naazim Richardson who has 2 fighters both close to retirement he'd be the main man and Richardson has the plans.

Maybe Naazim can take some of that concrete he found in Margarito's gloves and glue it to Kirkland's chin.