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[Michigan Assassi...]

I'm sure a huge signing bonus is involved but other than that I don't understand this move by Donaire.

After Mares (if he wins the Showtime tourney) what other big fights can Golden Boy offer?

Not to mention the lawsuit that Arum is going to bring, which may very well keep ND on the shelf for a bit. Makes very little sense with all the momentum he's recently gained.

[mexi-cutioner]

People forget that Golden Boy hasn't been around for that long, they've been around for barely under a decade and even though they haven't developed a brand new talent from scratch, they've recruited A LOT of big names, many of whom continue to stay with the brand.

Honestly, it's about looking at what Donaire has done with Arum to understand why the move was made. Nonito was promised a 3 fight/year contract and in 2008 he had one defence, 2 fights in 2009 and 2010 was the first year Arum lived up to the contractual promises. Also, look at the quality of opponents Arum has been putting him in with: for example, last february he fought at 115 against Manuel Vargas, a dude who fought his 5 previous fights at STRAWWEIGHT. Then he fought Hernan Marquez in his next fight, a dude coming off a loss to a mediocre filipino prospect on the Pac-Clottey card. He's fought alot of guys below his level and it can't be any worse than what GBP will be offering him.

Thing with Golden Boy is GBP racks up probably the most boxing televised coverage in America compared to all the other promotional companies. HBO, HBO Latino, Showtime, Telefutura, and ESPN all air GBP shows on the regular and there's a certainty that Donaire will be getting fights on HBO and Showtime on the regular, something i felt GBP could've guaranteed before isntead of Arum putting him on these shitty ass Pinoy Power and Latin Fury TopRank-PPV cards--how the fuck is a young prospect going to gain exposure on these cards that probably only rack up 60-80K buys on a good day???

This post has been edited by mexi-cutioner: Mar 18 2011, 07:45 AM

[The Ollie Reed F...]

People forget that Golden Boy hasn't been around for that long, they've been around for barely under a decade and even though they haven't developed a brand new talent from scratch, they've recruited A LOT of big names, many of whom continue to stay with the brand.

Honestly, it's about looking at what Donaire has done with Arum to understand why the move was made. Nonito was promised a 3 fight/year contract and in 2008 he had one defence, 2 fights in 2009 and 2010 was the first year Arum lived up to the contractual promises. Also, look at the quality of opponents Arum has been putting him in with: for example, last february he fought at 115 against Manuel Vargas, a dude who fought his 5 previous fights at STRAWWEIGHT. Then he fought Hernan Marquez in his next fight, a dude coming off a loss to a mediocre filipino prospect on the Pac-Clottey card. He's fought alot of guys below his level and it can't be any worse than what GBP will be offering him.

Thing with Golden Boy is GBP racks up probably the most boxing televised coverage in America compared to all the other promotional companies. HBO, HBO Latino, Showtime, Telefutura, and ESPN all air GBP shows on the regular and there's a certainty that Donaire will be getting fights on HBO and Showtime on the regular, something i felt GBP could've guaranteed before isntead of Arum putting him on these shitty ass Pinoy Power and Latin Fury TopRank-PPV cards--how the fuck is a young prospect going to gain exposure on these cards that probably only rack up 60-80K buys on a good day???

If Mayweather isn't fighting under the Golden Boy banner whom do you think in the GBP stable is likely to notch up 250k PPV figures?

As to continuing to fight under their brand, wasn't Barerra supposed to be a partner? What about Mosley? Hopkins was 10 seconds away from jumping ship at one point and you can bet JMM will be counting the days until he is a free agent.

The only reason Golden Shower have such regular dates with HBO is due to Oscar's relationship with them. GBP has coasted on the basis of this relationship since its inception and really hasn't done sweet FA to shake up the promotional landscape.

Even 24/7 was Floyd's idea!!

And outside of PBF fights this cosy relationship hasn't done much for HBO. They've backed the wrong horse and I think opened up a gap for Showtime, lets see if they can make something of it.

Golden Boy=Lame.

[mexi-cutioner]

If Mayweather isn't fighting under the Golden Boy banner whom do you think in the GBP stable is likely to notch up 250k PPV figures?

As to continuing to fight under their brand, wasn't Barerra supposed to be a partner? What about Mosley? Hopkins was 10 seconds away from jumping ship at one point and you can bet JMM will be counting the days until he is a free agent.

The only reason Golden Shower have such regular dates with HBO is due to Oscar's relationship with them. GBP has coasted on the basis of this relationship since its inception and really hasn't done sweet FA to shake up the promotional landscape.

Even 24/7 was Floyd's idea!!

And outside of PBF fights this cosy relationship hasn't done much for HBO. They've backed the wrong horse and I think opened up a gap for Showtime, lets see if they can make something of it.

Golden Boy=Lame.

At this point in Nonito's career, he's not even ready for an HBO PPV header YET. The dude's garnered enough popularity among the filipino's in America, putting him on some HBO BAD or world Championship shows would make people more familiar with him, that's something Arum wasn't doing. Nonito was fighting goofs on Top Rank PPV shows now c'mon man, how is taht going to help a fighter in his prime develop a fan base? these top rank ppv's arum puts on are dogshit most of the time too JCC Jr. heading the card against a tomato can fuck.

Barrera, Mosley, Hopkins and JMM are all at the ends of their career. And GBP is still managing to put Hopkins in thse big shows fighting Pavlik, Calzaghe, Pascal and the Pascal rematch. What can you argue against GBP bringing up Mosley? He fought Cotto and Margarito, two of the top weltwerweights in the world when they fought; an opportunity against Berto which was scrapped, then he got put in with Mayweather. Even when Mosley was tuning up, they gave him the opportunity to fight Mayorga who sells a fight like no other and the fight was fought in Mosley's backyard so it sold well. Look at who JMM fought as well, it wasn't until the last few years that JMM turned out to be one of the top p4p fighters in the world and all of that time was spent fighting under GBP.

The only reason these dudes jump ship is cus they want a Pacquiao fight. Period. They're at the twilight of their career and want a big pay day to end it.

At this point, Arum is trying to feed Nonito to teh wolves imo. Nonito clearly wants to stay at 118, and Arum is already talking about Nonito moving up to 122-126 which I don't think he's ready for. What's Nonito gonna do next? fight Vazquez jr. and if he wins move him up and pit him against Gamboa? Please, Nonito isn't ready to fight Gamboa at 126. Top Rank was clearly doing all teh wrong things with Nonito and after 3 years of being mistreated, he has every right to jump ship

[The Ollie Reed F...]

At this point in Nonito's career, he's not even ready for an HBO PPV header YET. The dude's garnered enough popularity among the filipino's in America, putting him on some HBO BAD or world Championship shows would make people more familiar with him, that's something Arum wasn't doing. Nonito was fighting goofs on Top Rank PPV shows now c'mon man, how is taht going to help a fighter in his prime develop a fan base? these top rank ppv's arum puts on are dogshit most of the time too JCC Jr. heading the card against a tomato can fuck.

Barrera, Mosley, Hopkins and JMM are all at the ends of their career. And GBP is still managing to put Hopkins in thse big shows fighting Pavlik, Calzaghe, Pascal and the Pascal rematch. What can you argue against GBP bringing up Mosley? He fought Cotto and Margarito, two of the top weltwerweights in the world when they fought; an opportunity against Berto which was scrapped, then he got put in with Mayweather. Even when Mosley was tuning up, they gave him the opportunity to fight Mayorga who sells a fight like no other and the fight was fought in Mosley's backyard so it sold well. Look at who JMM fought as well, it wasn't until the last few years that JMM turned out to be one of the top p4p fighters in the world and all of that time was spent fighting under GBP.

The only reason these dudes jump ship is cus they want a Pacquiao fight. Period. They're at the twilight of their career and want a big pay day to end it.

At this point, Arum is trying to feed Nonito to teh wolves imo. Nonito clearly wants to stay at 118, and Arum is already talking about Nonito moving up to 122-126 which I don't think he's ready for. What's Nonito gonna do next? fight Vazquez jr. and if he wins move him up and pit him against Gamboa? Please, Nonito isn't ready to fight Gamboa at 126. Top Rank was clearly doing all teh wrong things with Nonito and after 3 years of being mistreated, he has every right to jump ship

"Barrera, Mosley, Hopkins and JMM are all at the ends of their career"

You've kinda answered your own argument about Golden Boy. All those fighters were pretty much stars before they joined GBP.

As for Hopkins' fights. He has been kept on ice for long periods of time and you know how unhappy he was about it. In fact he has many times proclaimed himself to be a free agent

Mosley after destroying Margarito and becoming the hottest WW in the world for a quick minute was left to do what? Nothing but sit back and cool his heels. Shrewd move guys.

The only reason JMM became big was his rivarly with Pacquaio. In fact that's also the only reason he got a fight with Floyd, so Floyd could have bragging rights over Manny. It sure as fuck wasn't anything Golden Boy did.

Try re-reading my posts. I haven't said that Arum was doing a goood job with Donaire, and certainly I think Donaire was right to look at his options, I'm just not sure that jumping to GBP is the best move. I'll stand by that. So far those clowns have done nothing to convince me they know how to handle a guys career in the long term.

[Guest_Fitz_*]

"Barrera, Mosley, Hopkins and JMM are all at the ends of their career"

You've kinda answered your own argument about Golden Boy. All those fighters were pretty much stars before they joined GBP.

Yes they were stars, but GBP was relatively new and had been around for a short time. It was a credit to them that they got stars so early. Most other promoters would probably have to build slowly.

As for Hopkins' fights. He has been kept on ice for long periods of time and you know how unhappy he was about it. In fact he has many times proclaimed himself to be a free agent

Hopkins is my favourite, but GBP I don't think was the problem. Hopkins got good fights with Tarver, Wright, Calzaghe and Pavlik and his career was rejuvenated. The problems I think began when Hopkins had his sight set on the Jones rematch. I could be wrong, but I think I may have recalled that GBP wasn't big on that fight, but went through with it anyways for Hopkins and paid the price.
The problem was, Hopkins couldn't sell. He was offered a fight with a guy like Dawson, but the money wasn't there. Hopkins was looking for big money fights, but there wasn't much to choose from. Hence the reason why he had to travel to Canada to find it.

Mosley after destroying Margarito and becoming the hottest WW in the world for a quick minute was left to do what? Nothing but sit back and cool his heels. Shrewd move guys.

Up until then, it was more bad luck for Mosley. He wanted the Mayweather fight, but they can't hold a gun to Mayweather's head and Mayweather didn't want it. Roach didn't want the fight either, he has been on record saying that at the time, Mosley was too good and not enough money, and they opted for the Cotto fight instead.
So at the time, GBP got him the next best fight and that was against Berto, and that was going to be a unification fight. The Haiti disaster happened and Berto had to pull out, then it was by luck that he got the Mayweather fight, because Mayweather was looking for a dance partner and Mosley became available, so Mayweather had to take it.

The only reason JMM became big was his rivarly with Pacquaio. In fact that's also the only reason he got a fight with Floyd, so Floyd could have bragging rights over Manny. It sure as fuck wasn't anything Golden Boy did.

That's like saying that the only reason Pacquiao became big, was because Oscar wanted to fight him and sure as fuck didn't have anything to do with what Arum did. Also, the Mayweather fight wasn't the only fight Marquez had.
Marquez made a good run and p4p claim for himself when he moved up to 135 and wiped the division to become undisputed. I think GBP did quite well with that they got Marquez, and what he accomplished at light weight.

[The Ollie Reed F...]

That's like saying that the only reason Pacquiao became big, was because Oscar wanted to fight him and sure as fuck didn't have anything to do with what Arum did. Also, the Mayweather fight wasn't the only fight Marquez had.
Marquez made a good run and p4p claim for himself when he moved up to 135 and wiped the division to become undisputed. I think GBP did quite well with that they got Marquez, and what he accomplished at light weight.

Yes sure Manny used the Oscar fight as a breakthrough fight but Arum certainly knew how to keep that momentum running and build Manny's star bigger and bigger.

Mosley on the other hand had a sensational performance against Margarito that reignited his career and although he ended up with the Mayweather fight, more by good luck than good management, his career stalled badly.

+1 to Steve's point regarding Golden Boy's growth. It had ZERO to do with their sensational promoting and more to do with Oscar's already in-built cozy relationship with HBO.

Fitz you're a smart guy and I'm really surprised you think Golden Boy is the nuts as a promotional company. To me, compared to some of the slick moves that Arum and King make they are complete rookies, and have been made to look so on countless ocassions.

And in fact almost 10 years in as a promotional company they at times look like they're going backwards. I am surprised you think they are doing such a good job.