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[AussieLad]

So i see this fight is on. Very interesting. Whilst Tarver is passed his best, Green is no spring chicken and returning from surgery that could have ended his career.

Say what you will about the hand wraps, green would have knocked roy out regardless. He has always been a very heavy handed fighter.

Who wins?

Tarvers punch output has never been that good. but he is a good counter puncher, which may cause problems for Greens aggressive style.

I say Tarver by KO

[Big Slim Sweet]

and fact is, roy wasnt the superman we thought he was in hindsight... Roy killed what prime he had left dropping that muscle weight to go back down to lt heavy to face tarver (no way roy pre heavyweight loses to antonio tarver)...

That's not a fact though J, it's your opinion, and while I can respect it the fact is we'll never really know. Maybe dropping the weight killed Roy's prime. Maybe getting clocked by Tarver in the rematch snatched his confidence and killed his prime. Maybe he was just getting old and something like that was bound to happen sooner or later anyway. More than likely, IMO, it was a combination of the three. Roy was getting on in years, he messed with his weight which accelerated his decline, and then he got smoked and lost his aura of invincibility which cemented his status as a once great now over the hill.

No one can question that Tarver was the beneficiary of some fortunate circumstances, but he also made those circumstances what they were - goading Roy into a fight and then knocking him the fuck out. Let's not forget, Tarver was Roy's mandatory but Roy chose to go up to face Ruiz first instead - after virtually making a career out of disposing of his mandatories for years. He could have faced Tarver first and then gone up to face Ruiz, but he chose to do it that way.

Roy didn't look great in that first Tarver fight but he didn't look washed up. He didn't look up washed up in the first round of their rematch either. His next fight, when he fought Glen Johnson, Roy was completely washed up.

What Tarver did to Roy Jones can never be taken away. Roy was perceived as unbeatable. Tarver mocked him, asked him if he had any excuses, then blasted him. The special effects in "Star Wars" look like crap now when compared to the technology we see in films today. Doesn't change the fact that when it came out it changed the world.

[JLUVBABY]

That's not a fact though J, it's your opinion, and while I can respect it the fact is we'll never really know. Maybe dropping the weight killed Roy's prime. Maybe getting clocked by Tarver in the rematch snatched his confidence and killed his prime. Maybe he was just getting old and something like that was bound to happen sooner or later anyway. More than likely, IMO, it was a combination of the three. Roy was getting on in years, he messed with his weight which accelerated his decline, and then he got smoked and lost his aura of invincibility which cemented his status as a once great now over the hill.

No one can question that Tarver was the beneficiary of some fortunate circumstances, but he also made those circumstances what they were - goading Roy into a fight and then knocking him the fuck out. Let's not forget, Tarver was Roy's mandatory but Roy chose to go up to face Ruiz first instead - after virtually making a career out of disposing of his mandatories for years. He could have faced Tarver first and then gone up to face Ruiz, but he chose to do it that way.

Roy didn't look great in that first Tarver fight but he didn't look washed up. He didn't look up washed up in the first round of their rematch either. His next fight, when he fought Glen Johnson, Roy was completely washed up.

What Tarver did to Roy Jones can never be taken away. Roy was perceived as unbeatable. Tarver mocked him, asked him if he had any excuses, then blasted him. The special effects in "Star Wars" look like crap now when compared to the technology we see in films today. Doesn't change the fact that when it came out it changed the world.

i feel what you are saying... but in my mind... i will always feel that heavy muscle loss so fast killed what ever prime roy had left... you could look at his body definition and it was not the same.. he looked drained and in a way older... not tryingto make an excuse for him but i just think thats what it was... same thing can be said for tarver.. he experienced the same heavy weight loss issues after blowing up to 220 for the rocky movie then cutting hte weight to move back down... i dont think he was ever the same either... they both should have stayed heavyweights... specially roy and cashed out on his win over ruiz.. he wouldnt have to fight now had he...

with that said i feel roy was declining in the first tarver fight that i actually thought he won very very close... i never felt he should have taken that rematch tho you can make the argument that tho he loss he actually put it together for that 1st round and most of the second till the ko... but thats neither here nor there... he was already declining... i think what he displayed those 1 and a half rounds or how long it was rounds was his last hoorah of skill set and tarver ended it... truth is he was going in the direction of any ordinary fighter being able to beat him... as tarver was very ordinary.. actually eric harding was a superior fighter to him as he showed in the first fight and his fight with a prime lt heavy roy jones.. i look at tarver and i ask myself could tarver have beaten roy pre ruiz... my answer to that is hell no... therefore tarver gets a pass i suppose for that win but he gets it on a technocality.... in a lot of ways he is a lt heavy buster douglas as he never really did much since... i could go on and on bout tarver tho i really dont like him as a fighter... lol.

This post has been edited by JLUVBABY: Apr 11 2011, 09:02 PM