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[Nay_Sayer]

I think it's time we came up with a comprehensive timeline of events for the whole Mayweather Pacquiao drama.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

[iKeNjiro]

Let me jump into this timeline action right quick
Get this little 2cents off my chest

I think people have selective THINKING, either that or they play dumb, or lack the correct information so they follow the leader monkey see monkey do type ppl
I say that because this timeline was not needed, if people follow Floyd an pacquiao or are fans, then you should already know this.

Great timeline though an it allows newcomers to go back an read how the events unfolded.

Now after skimming through it, what excuses can they make now? It's freaking clear who made all the excuses an demands an then ran from the fight when Floyd SIGNED the contract.

Weight 147=Pacquiao
8oz gloves = pacquiao
10million per pound over = pacquiao
24 day cutoff = pacquiao
Fight date= pacquiao (note almost just date to back out of fight but Arum stopped that)

Floyd tried to reason offering 14
pacquiao = rejection

All those demands are not under commission ruling
But Floyd signed on the dotted line

Pacquiao on record saying he did not sign the fight

Floyd asks for one reasonable demand an all of a sudden he (Floyd) is the devil in the flesh LMAO

This is a joke

He (pacquiao )Lied about giving blood close to fghts, that got blew up via youtube 24/7 an he had to quickly retract that excuse
Hate to bring this up but he's cheated on his wife more then once, an the Media sweeps this under the rug.
If he can cheat on his wife, what makes you think he won't cheat in the ring?

Again it's not that he came up in weight
it's that he became faster
he no longer gases out after 6rds (people tend to forget pacquiao use to gases out after 6rounds allowing fighters to catch back up on score cards)
his chin is better (taking hits from bigger guys, but couldn't take hits at smaller weight classes...I just scratched my head)
An he's visibly stronger

Who is pacquiao to demand these requirements to fight him its not in commission ruling
Floyd made one logical request come on ppl

This post has been edited by iKeNjiro: Jun 22 2011, 12:12 AM

[The Ollie Reed F...]

Let me jump into this timeline action right quick
Get this little 2cents off my chest

I think people have selective THINKING, either that or they play dumb, or lack the correct information so they follow the leader monkey see monkey do type ppl
I say that because this timeline was not needed, if people follow Floyd an pacquiao or are fans, then you should already know this.

Great timeline though an it allows newcomers to go back an read how the events unfolded.

Now after skimming through it, what excuses can they make now? It's freaking clear who made all the excuses an demands an then ran from the fight when Floyd SIGNED the contract.

Weight 147=Pacquiao
8oz gloves = pacquiao
10million per pound over = pacquiao
24 day cutoff = pacquiao
Fight date= pacquiao (note almost just date to back out of fight but Arum stopped that)

Floyd tried to reason offering 14
pacquiao = rejection

All those demands are not under commission ruling
But Floyd signed on the dotted line

Pacquiao on record saying he did not sign the fight

Floyd asks for one reasonable demand an all of a sudden he (Floyd) is the devil in the flesh LMAO

This is a joke

He (pacquiao )Lied about giving blood close to fghts, that got blew up via youtube 24/7 an he had to quickly retract that excuse
Hate to bring this up but he's cheated on his wife more then once, an the Media sweeps this under the rug.
If he can cheat on his wife, what makes you think he won't cheat in the ring?

Again it's not that he came up in weight
it's that he became faster
he no longer gases out after 6rds (people tend to forget pacquiao use to gases out after 6rounds allowing fighters to catch back up on score cards)
his chin is better (taking hits from bigger guys, but couldn't take hits at smaller weight classes...I just scratched my head)
An he's visibly stronger

Who is pacquiao to demand these requirements to fight him its not in commission ruling
Floyd made one logical request come on ppl

Ken 147 is the weight I'd expect BOTH guys to fight at so that's hardly a Manny concession.

The 10 million is just a baloney figure to make sure Floyd doesn't incredibly disprespect the sport like he did last time against JMM. At the same time 147 IS NO PROBLEM to Floyd so the figure is high just to stop any potential monkey business. Again hardly what I'd call a consession by Manny but looks great on paper for Floyd fans. ""Look what Floyd agreed to!!"

The gloves I grant are Manny's preferred size so yes 1 to Manny there.

As for the cut off date Manny was making a consession merely agreeing to random tests WHICH HE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO.

I'll think you'll find that the blood tests on 24/7, I think you are referring to the Hatton fight yeah? were actually taken further out from the fight than is made to look on the series. Some creative editing methinks.

Dude I actually like you, you're one of the few new posters that's come here that I like to read, but seriously it's time I asked, what does Floyd's semen taste like? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[iKeNjiro]

Ken 147 is the weight I'd expect BOTH guys to fight at so that's hardly a Manny concession.

The 10 million is just a baloney figure to make sure Floyd doesn't incredibly disprespect the sport like he did last time against JMM. At the same time 147 IS NO PROBLEM to Floyd so the figure is high just to stop any potential monkey business. Again hardly what I'd call a consession by Manny but looks great on paper for Floyd fans. ""Look what Floyd agreed to!!"

The gloves I grant are Manny's preferred size so yes 1 to Manny there.

As for the cut off date Manny was making a consession merely agreeing to random tests WHICH HE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO.

I'll think you'll find that the blood tests on 24/7, I think you are referring to the Hatton fight yeah? were actually taken further out from the fight than is made to look on the series. Some creative editing methinks.

Dude I actually like you, you're one of the few new posters that's come here that I like to read, but seriously it's time I asked, what does Floyd's semen taste like? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

lol しらないー (means no idea)
lol aside from that good come back i'll have to get home from work 1st before I give a educated comeback
i'm going to do a bit of research 1st

Buttttttttttttt Ollie you have to admit from reading it, Floyd tried to compromise with the 14day cut off
they declined, he also accepted and signed all of their demands.

It was team pacquiao retracting comments and so on
remember the date issue?
an they wanted 140 at 1st remember?
They had more demands then Floyd

So how is it Floyd didn't want the fight?

This post has been edited by iKeNjiro: Jun 22 2011, 06:04 AM

[The Ollie Reed F...]

lol しらないー (means no idea)
lol aside from that good come back i'll have to get home from work 1st before I give a educated comeback
i'm going to do a bit of research 1st

Buttttttttttttt Ollie you have to admit from reading it, Floyd tried to compromise with the 14day cut off
they declined, he also accepted and signed all of their demands.

It was team pacquiao retracting comments and so on
remember the date issue?
an they wanted 140 at 1st remember?
They had more demands then Floyd

So how is it Floyd didn't want the fight?

So if they wanted 140 then taking Floyd at 147 is then a consession on their behalf?

[iKeNjiro]

So if they wanted 140 then taking Floyd at 147 is then a consession on their behalf?

Yea I guess so, so kudos to team pacquiao, cause they could of been a dick about that
but he had I believe two fights at 147 an they knew this excuse wouldn't fly either or
still their camp made the most excuses, Floyd made one demand
They rejected 14days an now they want 14days?
Floyd said after that rejection that it would be random up to the fight

What pacquiao's camp do? Ask for 14days knowing Floyd's position on that request
fake deadlines an Arum scheduling meetings with other fighters in house didn't seem like they wanted that fight

Oooo forgot remember Arum got pissed when GB skipped the Jerry Jones meeting?
he said the fight was dead an asked his son to handle it lol WTF is that
another excuse it seems like to me

Look now, he didn't even attempt to reach out to Floyd's camp
they had the JMM fight already lined up
lol big joke an i see through it man

[The Ollie Reed F...]

Yea I guess so, so kudos to team pacquiao, cause they could of been a dick about that
but he had I believe two fights at 147 an they knew this excuse wouldn't fly either or
still their camp made the most excuses, Floyd made one demand
They rejected 14days an now they want 14days?
Floyd said after that rejection that it would be random up to the fight

What pacquiao's camp do? Ask for 14days knowing Floyd's position on that request
fake deadlines an Arum scheduling meetings with other fighters in house didn't seem like they wanted that fight

Oooo forgot remember Arum got pissed when GB skipped the Jerry Jones meeting?
he said the fight was dead an asked his son to handle it lol WTF is that
another excuse it seems like to me

Look now, he didn't even attempt to reach out to Floyd's camp
they had the JMM fight already lined up
lol big joke an i see through it man

Why not do 14 days? Seems like a good compromise to me. Why does Floyd no longer want 14 days? In my opinion agreeing to 14 days is reaching out and Floyd doesn't want any of it. Manny is already making a consession by agreeing to extra testing yeah? and 14 days seems more than fair.

Care to comment?

[iKeNjiro]

Why not do 14 days? Seems like a good compromise to me. Why does Floyd no longer want 14 days? In my opinion agreeing to 14 days is reaching out and Floyd doesn't want any of it. Manny is already making a consession by agreeing to extra testing yeah? and 14 days seems more than fair.

Care to comment?

lol yea I had to under it hahahahaha
yea I have no problem bouncing knowledge back and forth
I can only speak from my opinion, but as a man if I offered someone a 14day cut off date and they rejected, I will automatically assume he is on the juice)
I am already skeptical in the 1st place, cause this man rejected random testing, but then I offer 14days and he declines makes me fully ASSUME he is on the juice, I use assume because I am not that man nor I have caught that man cheating buttttttttt looks bad

Now
(and take a second to ask yourself this same question)
you seem unbiased
If you where Floyd you have your hardwork your legacy riding on this fight
you accept all demands on they're side, but they decline your testing demand
then they decline your 14day cut off how do you approach this?
Honestly


another example
Your a boss
Your employee comes to you and says Mike is drugging up before work
you call him in your office and tell him we'll be doing random testing and he declines
or even better you don't tell him you just show up one day to random test and he says hey I need 24days (lol) or blah
what comes to your mind automatically? I know I think cheater off the back I don't care who he is or where he is from
it's the little things we learn as kids, and we all learn that it is very bad to turn down a test, this problem is over a test Ollie
and that's what I have a problem with

[The Ollie Reed F...]

lol yea I had to under it hahahahaha
yea I have no problem bouncing knowledge back and forth
I can only speak from my opinion, but as a man if I offered someone a 14day cut off date and they rejected, I will automatically assume he is on the juice)
I am already skeptical in the 1st place, cause this man rejected random testing, but then I offer 14days and he declines makes me fully ASSUME he is on the juice, I use assume because I am not that man nor I have caught that man cheating buttttttttt looks bad

Now
(and take a second to ask yourself this same question)
you seem unbiased
If you where Floyd you have your hardwork your legacy riding on this fight
you accept all demands on they're side, but they decline your testing demand
then they decline your 14day cut off how do you approach this?
Honestly


another example
Your a boss
Your employee comes to you and says Mike is drugging up before work
you call him in your office and tell him we'll be doing random testing and he declines
or even better you don't tell him you just show up one day to random test and he says hey I need 24days (lol) or blah
what comes to your mind automatically? I know I think cheater off the back I don't care who he is or where he is from
it's the little things we learn as kids, and we all learn that it is very bad to turn down a test, this problem is over a test Ollie
and that's what I have a problem with

The only 'real' demand Manny made was for 8oz gloves. The rest were really just smoke and mirrors, I mean c'mon.

So Ken I am assuming you think Manny could get up to awful lot of no good in those 14 days between the fight and the cut-off date? Please tell me (in detail) how.

[iKeNjiro]

The only 'real' demand Manny made was for 8oz gloves. The rest were really just smoke and mirrors, I mean c'mon.

So Ken I am assuming you think Manny could get up to awful lot of no good in those 14 days between the fight and the cut-off date? Please tell me (in detail) how.

gosh you guys type fast I am on my phone so it's hard to keep it
okay because I saw some other post by you two I wanted to address
but let me get at this one 1st

Ollie stop trying to do what you are doing and you know what you are doing lol
re read what I wrote, I gave you a very educated opinion in my mind
you didn't answer any of my questions nor did you see the point behind my reply ( I know you did , but you act like you didn't your a smart man)
I am not a expert on EPO, or HGH or PED's whatever, but there is stuff undetectable, but if it helps Floyd to clear his mind, if that small ass demand makes that man feel at ease then whatever, same goes to the gloves, the arena, the money 10million etc....who cares take the test man if you are the champ no problem it was one demand lol
now answer my questions and re read what I wrote cause it was deep, don't just brush that reply off Ollie it was a hell of a reply I thought



However we are talking about a dude that I think has Floyd at either 1 or 2 on his alltime p4p list so I don't hold out much hope.

your assuming again
skill wise I have Floyd top 10
over all resume, everything I have him top 25
I said here before Ali is my all time Fav. ever and there will be no other, he transcended the sport period and I was very pissed when Floyd compared himself to Ali
had to be the dumbest thing I ever heard


The problem with this example is Mike has already passed all your current testing measures. The boss has never tested in this new way before. Mike hires his lawyers who tell his boss to fuck off because he's already signed a contract for current testing procedures which he's already passing so you the employer doesn't have a leg to stand on.
The problem with this example is Mike has already passed all your current testing measures. The boss has never tested in this new way before. Mike hires his lawyers who tell his boss to fuck off because he's already signed a contract for current testing procedures which he's already passing so you the employer doesn't have a leg to stand on.
The problem with this example is Mike has already passed all your current testing measures. The boss has never tested in this new way before. Mike hires his lawyers who tell his boss to fuck off because he's already signed a contract for current testing procedures which he's already passing so you the employer doesn't have a leg to stand on.

This is subliminal for the boxing commission right
same guys who dropped the ball so many times over the years, come on Ollie moving right along


let's keep it moving though on to the next question

Notice how if the questions get a little too curly or close to home Ken always pulls some shit like "I'm on my phone at work I'll have to go home and think about it before giving you a proper answer." He's pulled that stunt a few times and of course we never hear back from him on the subject. That Ken is a crafty one

this was cute, I work like all day seriously, and sometimes I post things and forget the topic lol
I have deadlines and my daughter and so on so I lose track of thought my fault if I have forgot to get at a question but hit me via PM and I will surely answer it

This post has been edited by iKeNjiro: Jun 22 2011, 07:23 AM

[The Ollie Reed F...]

[u]Ollie stop trying to do what you are doing and you know what you are doing lol
re read what I wrote, I gave you a very educated opinion in my mind
you didn't answer any of my questions nor did you see the point behind my reply ( I know you did , but you act like you didn't your a smart man)
I am not a expert on EPO, or HGH or PED's whatever, but there is stuff undetectable, but if it helps Floyd to clear his mind, if that small ass demand makes that man feel at ease then whatever, same goes to the gloves, the arena, the money 10million etc....who cares take the test man if you are the champ no problem it was one demand lol
now answer my questions and re read what I wrote cause it was deep, don't just brush that reply off Ollie it was a hell of a reply I thought

Lets address this because the rest is fluff. When originally Floyd asked for 14 days cut-off where do you think that came from? Do you think Floyd pulled that number out of his arse or do you think he and his team took some high grade advice from professionals in the field who confirmed that a 14 day cut-off would be enough to curtail any possible PED's being cycled in Pac's schedule. Remember there is also immediate testing after the fight.

So if Floyd was comfortable enough with the information he got from those in the know to originally ask for 14 days why is 14 suddenly off the table? I don't get it. I seriously don't.

Apparently 14 days at the first negotiation was enough for Floyd to 'clear his mind' yet now it's not? Why the changing tune?

Besides if there is stuff that is undetectable (your words) then random testing don't mean shit. It's useless.