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post Jul 3 2011, 06:50 PM
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i think it's time to get to the real question; after this fight is a Toney fight really that bad? given a platform and a translator he can get an interest in the fight and it can't be any worse than Haye.
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post Jul 3 2011, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE (The CEO @ Jul 3 2011, 07:39 PM) *
You're a good man, MARV...that's more like it...I would have given 3 to Haye if I was being overly generous....

I see Warlord adopted my Sig giving style on ya...lol...ain't no thing.

Lol... These are the sig bets that hurt though. When your at the complete mercy of another poster... Ughhh. I guess I just have to learn the hard way. I really thought Haye had more fight in him.

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post Jul 3 2011, 07:07 PM
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QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Jul 3 2011, 06:31 PM) *
I think a lot of people are just pissed because Haye talked so big and did so little. So its reflected in the way they scored the fight. I gave Haye 1, 3, 4, 7 and 12.



Nah in some ways I might try to give Haye more rounds and I gave him 3 rounds, I think giving him 4 rounds is really pushing even if that bitch klit didn't do much of anything!
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post Jul 3 2011, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE (gravytrain @ Jul 3 2011, 07:46 PM) *
in British heaven Haye was the favorite going into the fight. that's no bullshit. going off of that i'm thinking they probably have it as a draw.


Oh yeah....and no one knows that better than me....but I think I'd be hard pressed to scour all British Boxing forums and find 5 guys who gave him 5 rounds or more...

and if I did...well....you know...lol


QUOTE (D-MARV @ Jul 3 2011, 08:01 PM) *
Lol... These are the sig bets that hurt though. When your at the complete mercy of another poster... Ughhh. I guess I just have to learn the hard way. I really thought Haye had more fight in him.


The sad thing is...if Haye would have taken it to him in the first 4 rounds, he could have gotten him...Wlad was definitely off.

I'm sure he had enough in that toe to go all out for a few rounds...it was his only hope.
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post Jul 3 2011, 08:16 PM
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QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ Jul 3 2011, 05:41 AM) *
He will deserve everything he gets & then some. What is most galling is that Cockney men are masculine/macho (or like to think they are til they meet a real hard geordie or taff anyways) & Haye looked fresh as a daisy at the end. This shows he most certainly did not give his all & was there to collect his payday.

He is a disgrace to boxing & a disgrace to England. What a cunt & hopefully some thug shanks him as he is walking the streets for bringing shame to England. At least your other top fighters when they have lost on th einternational stage gave 100%. Haye gave 10% at best.


QUOTE (Warlord @ Jul 2 2011, 09:15 AM) *
Haye is going to get bitched out so badly in this fight that the ignominy that follows will last a lifetime. He will become a symbol in boxing. People will use him as a cautionary tale of what happens to fighters who run their mouths to a ludicrously retarded degree, and then get smashed like a shit-black turd. They'll say about those guys, "He's gonna get Hayed."

British fans will disown Haye very soon. I mean this. Truly. Prophetically. Haye is going to get dumped, and dumped badly. He's going to shame himself, his family, and his nation. And I am going to laugh.
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post Jul 3 2011, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Jul 4 2011, 04:18 AM) *
I want an exciting fight of them. What happened to the Vitali against Lewis? Or the Wlad against Sam Peter the first time? They have become much too safety prone. If that is the sure way to win, so be it, but I want to see them in a war again. The non-fight last night case confirms the reasons why HBO is so cynical of them. No one is going to want to see David Haye darken anyone;s doorstep ever again after that POS performance,



Cmon Jack. You know better. HBO don't like them because they ruin anyone HBO has sent their way to try & dethrone them. HBO has not invested one red cent into their promotion or careers & want to take what Saurland has spent years building through hard work. I want to see them in wars too but why go to war when you can drop neutron boms on them from a distance with no risk to your own safety?

HBO is cynical about them yet their biggest PPV attraction fights far more safety first & does not get many stoppages at all.

HBO don't like the Klit bros because they are European not American. Sorry but if you has two American brothers who has KO%'s in the 90's HBO would be all over them.

The funny thing is that they sell out soccer stadiums every time they fight so whatever HBO could offer them is chump change in comparison. They sell twice as many tickets to their fights as Americas biggest PPV attraction. HBO should be grateful they were even given access to this fight really.
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post Jul 3 2011, 08:29 PM
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I must be one of teh few who think Wlad did not even get out of 1st gear. At no stage was he in trouble in the fight. He controlled the action from the centre of the ring. Bar the ridiculous point deduction I can think of only one or two rounds you could potentially give Haye & even those are debatable.

If need be Wlad has plenty more gears to rev out.
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post Jul 3 2011, 11:39 PM
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A discussion of Haye's fucked up toes. Here's a picture and comment:

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg615/scaled.ph...0&ysize=640

That shit does look bad. Now that doesn't really change things. What David SHOULD have done is said, "Yea, I busted my toe in training, but I am still going to go in there and give do what I can to give the fans a great fight. I have waited to long for this and so have they."

But Haye doesn't do that. He's a con and a bitch. He OBVIOUSLY knew his toes got fucked, but he still goes on and on about going to war, breaking every bone in Wlad's body, obviously KNOWING full well because if the injury that he was going to just jab and not hit in return.

He had no intension of backing up his words with a war of any kind. And the user who posted that pic thought that David should have pulled out of the fight. The other community members believe that he would have been crucified again if he had. But he's not exactly making friends now!

Haye is still a bitch and pussied his way to a decision to collect his money. Could have have done better with a healthy foot? Who knows? No one wants to find out. Haye's reputation has been scarred forever because of this fight and rightfully so. We got scammed by a con man.

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post Jul 3 2011, 11:49 PM
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QUOTE (The CEO @ Jul 3 2011, 08:14 PM) *
Oh yeah....and no one knows that better than me....but I think I'd be hard pressed to scour all British Boxing forums and find 5 guys who gave him 5 rounds or more...

and if I did...well....you know...lol




The sad thing is...if Haye would have taken it to him in the first 4 rounds, he could have gotten him...Wlad was definitely off.

I'm sure he had enough in that toe to go all out for a few rounds...it was his only hope.


i've got to give it up to British dudes, i don't think anyone is getting too crazy about it. i've heard guys talking about Haye embarrassing them more than anything. you would expect them to say something like "that big Russian is lucky Haye's toe was hurt"

QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ Jul 3 2011, 09:29 PM) *
I must be one of teh few who think Wlad did not even get out of 1st gear. At no stage was he in trouble in the fight. He controlled the action from the centre of the ring. Bar the ridiculous point deduction I can think of only one or two rounds you could potentially give Haye & even those are debatable.

If need be Wlad has plenty more gears to rev out.


Wlad has the gearbox of a broke ass Geo Metro. a Saudi Arabian woman would have an easier time switching gears in a model t. if Haye had something remotely resembling an offense he would have taken the titles and would no longer need a car, the people of the UK would simply crowd surf him around the country.
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post Jul 4 2011, 12:07 AM
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QUOTE (STEVENSKI @ Jul 3 2011, 08:26 PM) *
Cmon Jack. You know better. HBO don't like them because they ruin anyone HBO has sent their way to try & dethrone them. HBO has not invested one red cent into their promotion or careers & want to take what Saurland has spent years building through hard work. I want to see them in wars too but why go to war when you can drop neutron boms on them from a distance with no risk to your own safety?

HBO is cynical about them yet their biggest PPV attraction fights far more safety first & does not get many stoppages at all.

HBO don't like the Klit bros because they are European not American. Sorry but if you has two American brothers who has KO%'s in the 90's HBO would be all over them.

The funny thing is that they sell out soccer stadiums every time they fight so whatever HBO could offer them is chump change in comparison. They sell twice as many tickets to their fights as Americas biggest PPV attraction. HBO should be grateful they were even given access to this fight really.


I don't know, but with the exception of Lewis-Vitali or Wlad-Peter I, I still find the Klitschos boring. Even if they were American, I find them boring. I think that international countries may show more nationalistic pride toward their fighters because in America, the promoters and cable networks, along with casinos control all the big-time boxing. A lot of countries don't have that kind of backing so they will get a whole nation involved, who may not even be boxing fans, but they are there to support their fighter as long as he dominates, he doesn't have to be exciting.

I think HBO supported the Klitschkos years ago because they had some exciting fights and HBO liked that. A networks job is to showcase fights that are exciting to the public. People flocked to get HBO subscriptions when Tyson was fighting, NOT because he was fighting great competition. They wanted to see an ass-kicking. In the American landscape, you dominate with KO's, (prime-Tyson), a charismatic and controversial personality, (Ali) a pressure fighter (Frazier) a skilled slick boxer with strong Olympic backing and fighting your nemesis and in exciting fights, getting revenge. (Leonard, Duran-Leonard I Leonard-Duran II,) Or you dominate everyone with longevity and a big KO punch. (Louis 25 title defenses, KO percentage.) The Klits may have a big KO percentage, but it takes them forever to get a "Bum of The Month" out of there, and that is only IF they want to do that.

Internationalists watch a dominate fighter for love of country. Americans watch a fighter because there is something in what I said above that draws them in to a fighter's performance. Since the Klitscho's can't do love of country for American audiences because USA fans aren't in Germany, there is not much pride in most American's in watching the Klitschkos fight. I also blame Manny Steward for taking away the excitement that the brothers had as sluggers and turning them into safety-first boxers. I guarantee that if the Klitschkos were fighting like they used to, HBO would still be behind them.

It than raises a great question that may be answered differently by people from different parts of the world? What is most important? Winning in a methodical way with a great record backing up those wins? Or winning in an exciting way, and sometimes losing in an exciting way, but always guaranteed great fights almost every time out? (Gatti?)

The Klitschko brothers in my view certainly dominate, but fail to entertain in recent years. I see this as an American boxing writer and analyst. Saturday night, both Klitschko and Haye should have had a commitment, an obligation to perform, to transform and excite fans both casual and elite about this world heavyweight championship unification by doing something memorable, something special and none of that happened. We got an ending just like any other recent Klitschko fight, and the other title holder who was all bark and no bite.

The Klitschkos are dominate champions, but at least in America, are not stars.

Jack
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