[Sicko]

Pacquiao side looks like a COMPLETE MESS RIGHT NOW!

Arum says one thing, Koncz says another, Roach says another thing and Pacquiao usually just say what they tell him to say (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)


but yet MAYWEATHER IS THE BAD GUY and MAYWEATHER IS HOLDING UP THE FIGHT...hahaha

[FightHypeRules]

but isn't it? sure, Mayweather could have just given up on testing. but time and time again Arum has gotten caught up in his own bullshit. i'm not saying he's different than any other promoter but he's definitely been playing the game when it comes to testing. he gives you lawyer answers to yes or no questions. someone asks "is testing still an issue?" and he'll say "it's complicated but it should be worked it".

i'm not saying he's lying about everything but he's definitely used the testing as a way to make him and Pac a lot more money than they would have got if they just fought Mayweather. from Clottey to Marquez he'll probably make more than what he would have got for Mayweather and Arum has been putting his fighters in with him, that's getting a good % of two checks. and Mayweather will still happen.

Not the point. You can either present a situation from an unbiased view point, or you can inject your personal opinion into it. Nothing wrong with putting your opinion in, as it's perfectly understandable.

But just don't act like you're simply providing the facts and nothing but.

[FightHypeRules]

Pacquiao side looks like a COMPLETE MESS RIGHT NOW!

Arum says one thing, Koncz says another, Roach says another thing and Pacquiao usually just say what they tell him to say (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)


but yet MAYWEATHER IS THE BAD GUY and MAYWEATHER IS HOLDING UP THE FIGHT...hahaha

you're 100% right on that. There's no cohesion in Top Rank when it comes to Manny. I think it may more be a situation of them trying to cover their asses in case something DOES go wrong with him and testing, than it is with Manny actually being dirty.

I don't like the guy or his crew, but I don't think he's taking PED's or any of that stuff. I just don't think the people around him have that confidence in him and so are constantly making contradictory statements.

[The Ollie Reed F...]

Here's the original story: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/8...dar.html?cat=14

LOL @ ESPN UK picking up a story from an "exclusive interview" done by a Yahoo "contributor" (Granville Ampong) who I believe is a Filipino. Not that it even matters if he's Filipino, but it is interesting to see Bob Arum telling him that as opposed to the actual Yahoo journalist Kevin Iole. It's almost as if Arum is tugging at the hearts of all Filipinos, making it look as though they shouldn't trust USADA because it's a US-based organization and Pacquiao is a Filipino fighter. Meanwhile, he's all about trusting the Nevada State Athletic Commission, another US-based organization.

LMAO.

Just out of curiosity, what the FVCK is the Olympic Organization? I've never heard of that organization before. Is he referring to the International Olympic Committee (IOC)? If that's the case, then I assume he's REALLY talking about the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), which handles the drug testing for the Olympics. But then again, if he's referring to WADA, then what the hell is the difference in the US Anti-Doping Agency (USADA), which is affiliated with WADA?



So let me get this straight, USADA follows the WADA Anti-Doping Code, Pacquiao fights and makes money here in the United States and trusts the rules and regulations of the boxing commissions here in the United States, but now all of a sudden they don't trust USADA.

Get the fvck out of here.

I hate to say it, but some of you diehard fans are really, really, REALLY fvckin dumb. I can't even hate on Bob Arum. If I had it that easy, I'd keep doing what he's doing too. Man, I can't wait to see Pacquiao vs. Cotto 2, Pacquiao vs. Margarito 2, and Pacquiao vs. Mike Jones. LOL.

Oh, and not for nothing, but perhaps Arum should get word to Michael Koncz and let him know about what the new story is so everybody can get back on the same page. LOL.

It truly amazes me how some people continue to believe the person who keeps moving the goal posts as opposed to someone who has consistently said the same thing over, and over, and over again. SMH.

Quick question Hype, I'm pretty sure you'll know the answer to this having done quite a bit of research for these articles. If Pac agrees to the tests (or even a 7 day cut-off) what happens if Jerry Jones makeas a great offer for the fight in Dallas which they take? Will Floyd be allowed to use those injections for his hands in training? Or as they are outlawed in every place but Vegas would they be put on the banned list for this fight?

This post has been edited by The Ollie Reed Fan Club: Jul 8 2011, 06:56 PM

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Quick question Hype, I'm pretty sure you'll know the answer to this having done quite a bit of research for these articles. If Pac agrees to the tests (or even a 7 day cut-off) what happens if Jerry Jones makeas a great offer for the fight in Dallas which they take? Will Floyd be allowed to use those injections for his hands in training? Or as they are outlawed in every place but Vegas would they be put on the banned list for this fight?

Also hype, or maybe Jack1000 who is familiar with rules and such may be able to confirm. But to follow up on the lidocaine injection in Vegas. From what I have read and have gathered from the ruling of these injections in Vegas. I believe it's only legal up until 7 days out from the fight? Used within those last 7 days out from the fight is a period where it then becomes illegal?
This is what I have taken from things I have read, so just looking to see if any of you guys can confirm this. Because I always found it strange that people looked at it as a PED, when it only assists in the training period, and it would have absolutely zero influence come fight night.

[Sicko]

you're 100% right on that. There's no cohesion in Top Rank when it comes to Manny. I think it may more be a situation of them trying to cover their asses in case something DOES go wrong with him and testing, than it is with Manny actually being dirty.

I don't like the guy or his crew, but I don't think he's taking PED's or any of that stuff. I just don't think the people around him have that confidence in him and so are constantly making contradictory statements.

what we have to understand though is the type of fans that DEFEND TOP RANK AND BOB ARUM... SOME Pacquiao fans, to them Pacquiao is "JESUS CHRIST" and Arum is "GOD" and Mayweather is "THE DEVIL" then is what they been BRAINWASHED TO BELIEVE BY ARUM, so it really doesn't matter what the facts are to those type of fans, all they know is that they are Pacquiao fan...and they are going to support Pacquiao and anybody that is ASSOCIATED with Pacquiao and they are going to believe anything Bob Arum tells them because "HE IS PACQUIAO's PROMOTER"

Arum knows that may of the Pacquiao fans are not that smart nor do that have a mind of their own, he knows they are SHEEP and they are going to believe what ever HE AND PACQUIAO TELLS THEM

I think if Pacquiao had more POWER and a mind of his own and was allowed to SPEAK UP FOR HIMSELF, he would just take the test and fight, but I think it is ARUM and the OTHERS that are really holding the fight up...NOT PACQUIAO, NOT MAYWEATHER....BUT IT IS BOB ARUM!

[gravytrain]

Not the point. You can either present a situation from an unbiased view point, or you can inject your personal opinion into it. Nothing wrong with putting your opinion in, as it's perfectly understandable.

But just don't act like you're simply providing the facts and nothing but.

other than the mailbag shit where he's being asked for his opinion all i see is questions and answers.

Also hype, or maybe Jack1000 who is familiar with rules and such may be able to confirm. But to follow up on the lidocaine injection in Vegas. From what I have read and have gathered from the ruling of these injections in Vegas. I believe it's only legal up until 7 days out from the fight? Used within those last 7 days out from the fight is a period where it then becomes illegal?
This is what I have taken from things I have read, so just looking to see if any of you guys can confirm this. Because I always found it strange that people looked at it as a PED, when it only assists in the training period, and it would have absolutely zero influence come fight night.

i remember when DLH had an injury he said he'd to ask NSAC to use it leading up the fight. i know they test for it though.

[The Ollie Reed F...]

Also hype, or maybe Jack1000 who is familiar with rules and such may be able to confirm. But to follow up on the lidocaine injection in Vegas. From what I have read and have gathered from the ruling of these injections in Vegas. I believe it's only legal up until 7 days out from the fight? Used within those last 7 days out from the fight is a period where it then becomes illegal?
This is what I have taken from things I have read, so just looking to see if any of you guys can confirm this. Because I always found it strange that people looked at it as a PED, when it only assists in the training period, and it would have absolutely zero influence come fight night.

Yeah but we could argue what comes first here the horse or the cart? Take Victor Conte for example saying not taking PED's in the last few weeks of your training camp you are not going to lose that much anyway because the bulk of your training has been done with PED's and therefore the PED's have done their job.

If those injections have allowed Floyd to train harder and get in better shape then whether he has an injection on fight night is irrelevant, they have already done their job.

I would be still be seriously curious to know though if they did have random testing and the fight takes place outside Vegas are they legal or not?

[FightHypeRules]

what we have to understand though is the type of fans that DEFEND TOP RANK AND BOB ARUM... SOME Pacquiao fans, to them Pacquiao is "JESUS CHRIST" and Arum is "GOD" and Mayweather is "THE DEVIL" then is what they been BRAINWASHED TO BELIEVE BY ARUM, so it really doesn't matter what the facts are to those type of fans, all they know is that they are Pacquiao fan...and they are going to support Pacquiao and anybody that is ASSOCIATED with Pacquiao and they are going to believe anything Bob Arum tells them because "HE IS PACQUIAO's PROMOTER"

Arum knows that may of the Pacquiao fans are not that smart nor do that have a mind of their own, he knows they are SHEEP and they are going to believe what ever HE AND PACQUIAO TELLS THEM

I think if Pacquiao had more POWER and a mind of his own and was allowed to SPEAK UP FOR HIMSELF, he would just take the test and fight, but I think it is ARUM and the OTHERS that are really holding the fight up...NOT PACQUIAO, NOT MAYWEATHER....BUT IT IS BOB ARUM!

I can't believe I just read all that. You are just as bad as those you profess to be against. Massive exaggeration, blatant generalizations and just plain bias oozing out of every word you type.

[Sicko]

lol at Pacquiao Fans want to drag Xylocaine into this, this is another thing Pacquiao fans do a lot, when you have them cornered and they really have no comeback for the topic at hand...they quickly try to divert the questions away from Pacquiao and turn them back on Mayweather


WELL What about a Xlyocaine test? hahaha NEVER HEARD OF SUCH A THING but according to some Pacquiao fans, a Xlyocaine test exist, I guess you can put that on the Banned Substance List if it makes you feel better but I have a feeling many of you don't have a damn clue about Xlyocaine, you just seen some IDIOT either on another forum or on a youtube video make this suggestion and now your running with it...once again PROOF that some Pacquiao fans don't have a MIND OF THEIR OWN

This post has been edited by Sicko: Jul 8 2011, 07:47 PM