[zucrates]

I hope you never suffer from any addiction in your life. It is not something where you have a choice about drinking if you are in active "action".

I may be the only person on here that actually feels sorry for this guy. Having suffered from my demons for many years I can only feel sorry for him & hope he can get the help he clearly needs.

I know what your talking about if your addicted to something it's serious because once addicted the person feels they need to have it and it's more than mental at that point because the body starts to act up on you too saying it needs whatever the person is addicted to. The only thing I can say that most people can relate to when seeing addiction is look at crack femes or heron addicts look at their signs and symptoms but replace the crack or heron with another item. He needs helps not senseless comments

[Guest_Fitz_*]

looooolllll

[zucrates]

If you could explain what money has to do with being a out of control addict I would be most interested. Does having millions help you wrestle with demons?

Now if on a personal level you don't like him & are enjoying his self destruction they good for you but don't give me a BS line about how you don't feel sorry for him as he had 7 figure paydays. That has NOTHING to do with his addiction except allowing him to drink higher quality liquor as opposed to cheap rotgut.

Unless you have walked a mile in those shoes you have no idea of what it is like to be totally out of control & being unable to pull yourself up. It is not fun in any way shape or form & if he keeps going the way he is do not be surprised to find the headline "Former undisputed middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik commits suicide". Some would probably get a kick out of it & I am sure it would give plenty here a good belly laugh.

You're right Look at Oscar he has lots of money what happen when he got in a fight with addiction money just allows you to get whatever you're addicted to easier.

[HaydelHammer]

Similar story. The most positive part is that he is accepting he has a problem & talking about it with someone he trusts. It may take years for him to hit bottom & every bottom has a trapdoor & you can sink lower.

Only he can make the decision to get help though but his getting honest with you is a strong sign of a desire to get better. Now he just has to get honest with himself. You can't do this stuff for your family, friends, job or anything like that you can only be selfish & do it for yourself before anyone else.


I should add this is a sensitive subject for me & I have very strong opinions on it based on the sum of my experiences.

I feel you. You should be proud you have the courage to fight YOU..most cannot do it or simply choose not too. I agree with hitting bottom. Seems like he has always been bailed out when he really NEEDS to hit rock bottom. We've actually had this discussion and he admitted he gets bailed out a lot. Never really did things on his own.etc.

I honor him being honest with me(he is with other co workers also who don't judge or throw him under the bus), so I try not to run from his issues like his friends who have abandoned him (including his wife and g/f he had). The friends he has now (good ones) they are barely around him because his drinking spirals him out of control at times. I tell him he has to find hobbies and do other things when he's bored..etc I offer him to come to my gym and I'll teach him boxing, muay thai...etc. I try to let him see me and maybe rub off, but I know that is only temporary...when he gets alone it's him vs himself. His war.

I pray for the dude.

[Spyder]

If you could explain what money has to do with being a out of control addict I would be most interested. Does having millions help you wrestle with demons?

Now if on a personal level you don't like him & are enjoying his self destruction they good for you but don't give me a BS line about how you don't feel sorry for him as he had 7 figure paydays. That has NOTHING to do with his addiction except allowing him to drink higher quality liquor as opposed to cheap rotgut.

Unless you have walked a mile in those shoes you have no idea of what it is like to be totally out of control & being unable to pull yourself up. It is not fun in any way shape or form & if he keeps going the way he is do not be surprised to find the headline "Former undisputed middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik commits suicide". Some would probably get a kick out of it & I am sure it would give plenty here a good belly laugh.

The man is RICH. He can afford to get whatever help he needs, and has ONE less worry in life. I most CERTAINLY do not feel bad for him.

Now if he was broke, never had a chance, had a world of debt, and was STRUGGLING to provide for his family...I would definitely wish that he could catch a break...but this guy had the World Championship and enough money to never have to worry about that again.

At some point, as a MAN, you have to handle your buisness and do whatever it takes...this guy has ALL of the opportunity to do that...he just doesn't.

Pitying him does nothing...he's no charity case.

[Lil-lightsout]

I wonder how Stevenski would feel if it was Roy Jones or Mayweather in Kelly's shoes?

[JLUVBABY]

I hope you never suffer from any addiction in your life. It is not something where you have a choice about drinking if you are in active "action".

I may be the only person on here that actually feels sorry for this guy. Having suffered from my demons for many years I can only feel sorry for him & hope he can get the help he clearly needs.

you are not alone stev... i know what you getting at and i can say i havent had the same issues but i know what it is like to be addicted to sumthin... what gets me is when i first reported his issues it was what 2 years ago?... the whole board got in my ass remember that?... lol... now what i reported is common knowledge.. just saying... some of the old guys got in my ass real good for STARTING RUMORS i couldnt back up with real facts other than a rumor from a guy that owned a bar... i hate it for him if he is still fighting the demons tho...

[STEVENSKI]

I wonder how Stevenski would feel if it was Roy Jones or Mayweather in Kelly's shoes?

If I am completeley honest I would feel for them. It is not pretty & no matter how rich you are or who you are if you are struggling with inner demons that want your complete destruction.

Am I a fan of either guy? No. Would I like to see Mayweather beaten to a piece of hamburger? Yes. Do I want to see them suffer from a addiction? No.

Hope that clears things up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[Guest_Fitz_*]

On a serious note, and I know I made fun of him, but I think it's bullshit to suggest people with money shouldn't have problems. They are human, and money is money, it's not a solution.
Funnily enough, people with no money and in poorer countries usually don't have the mental issues/addicitions, generally live happier lives. It's mainly in the culture we live in that tend to have a bigger affect on people.

[JLUVBABY]

On a serious note, and I know I made fun of him, but I think it's bullshit to suggest people with money shouldn't have problems. They are human, and money is money, it's not a solution.
Funnily enough, people with no money and in poorer countries usually don't have the mental issues/addicitions, generally live happier lives. It's mainly in the culture we live in that tend to have a bigger affect on people.