[caneman]

Isn't he already demanding that in his contract? There maybe a lot of dirty fighters right now and perhaps the different boxing commissions would look really dumb for not picking up fighters that cheat. I am sure there is also a lot of red tape involved with new testing. In this economy no state wants to spend more money of testing when urine testing is cheap and easy. I pose this question to you: Let's say Andre Ward or Manny demanded OST to all their fights would there be a backlash or do you think because MJ said it people raise eyebrows or they think he is full of crap. The message is a good one but maybe the messenger is the problem. I never have seen a backlash with someone wanting better testing in a sport especially a sport that you can die from or become injured for life.

I think it's the way FMJ and most of all his family went about it! It's all to try to dis-credit someone over trying to clean up a sport! There was a time when while bashing Pacman about using PED's that he was posting videos of Pac getting KOed like they were some new videos when the fact is Pac was 17, furthermore while he might not have been stopped, FMJ has lost since he was 17 too, several times in fact!!! Let me ask you, IF FMJ had to pay for testing, would he still be doing this? I really don't!

[Allmenjoi8]

I think my post contained my thoughts on that question. IF Floyd is making EVERYONE on his bill take tests, for the purpose of cascading this stance through the different tiers of boxing then fair enough. But id need to see evidence of that before I accept that Floyds testing stance is anything more than posturing bullshit, and in the worst case, a way out of fighting you know who.

And why can't it be a way out for "You know who" not to fight Floyd? It goes both ways. From what I hear it cost a lot of money for that test to be administrated. Not every fighter can afford that. Floyd said anyone who fights him has to take the test, so he would be responsible for footing that bill, but to suggest that he pays for all the other fighters who might not want to take the test I would question. I do not think MJ is scared of Manny, he is right to have his suspicions just like people should have their suspicions when they fight him. By MJ taking the test they really can't say he is hiding. I think this is more of a mental game Floyd is playing and maybe he does want to clean up the sport but again if it was one of the Good Guys of boxing to suggest this would people be complaining about it? I do not think so...

[caneman]

I think my post contained my thoughts on that question. IF Floyd is making EVERYONE on his bill take tests, for the purpose of cascading this stance through the different tiers of boxing then fair enough. But id need to see evidence of that before I accept that Floyds testing stance is anything more than posturing bullshit, and in the worst case, a way out of fighting you know who.

Well said!

[lloyd mayflower]

And why can't it be a way out for "You know who" not to fight Floyd? It goes both ways. From what I hear it cost a lot of money for that test to be administrated. Not every fighter can afford that. Floyd said anyone who fights him has to take the test, so he would be responsible for footing that bill, but to suggest that he pays for all the other fighters who might not want to take the test I would question. I do not think MJ is scared of Manny, he is right to have his suspicions just like people should have their suspicions when they fight him. By MJ taking the test they really can't say he is hiding. I think this is more of a mental game Floyd is playing and maybe he does want to clean up the sport but again if it was one of the Good Guys of boxing to suggest this would people be complaining about it? I do not think so...

I'm not saying Floyd or any other fighter should pay for it, I dont know how it would work down the line, but for Floyd to thrust the issue into the spotlight and get it more attention, he should have said to GBP, if we're going to do this fight, I want everyone on the card tested. That would be his contribution to cleaning up the sport.

The "good guys" of the sport as you call them, IMO at least, are the guys who keep their head down and do their talking in the ring, so the chances are we dont get this sort of bullshit/posturing/publicity seeking/fight dodging from the good guys.

[EAlbian]

If Floyd is really trying to clean up the sport, then as someone already mentioned, every fighter on the undercard would be getting tested. Floyd has enough clout to make that happen on a show he is headlining. Please dont tell me its too expensive either, because IF Floyd wanted to clean up the sport he would lay that down in the negotiations and the promoters would pay it to get him to fight. It would be good publicity for his "cause" and it woould help cascade the testing idea down through the sport. When the guys lower down on the card go through that it might stay with them when they are the big names of tomorrow.

Floyd is only one man, but as far as this PPV goes, hes the one man that matters. He could strike a blow for the testing cause in every one of his shows from now to retirement, but until someone can show me that what iv described is happening, then that is conclusive proof to me that Floyds testing regime is a lot of bullshit.

I don't think his testing demands are bullshit, i also don't believe he is necessarily doing it for the "good of the sport." I think its simply that he has made a big enough name for himself that he can demand that any opponent who steps in the ring with him is going to be subjected to this. he claims he's not on any PED's and and wants to make sure his opponents are on the straight and narrow as well. If the opponent doesn't like this then there's no fight. What i think he's doing for the sport is saying to other fighters "if you're not on PED's take the tests and make your opponent take the tests." I don't think its his responsibility to fund testing for the sport. I know that if i was playing any sport i would want to make sure that my opponent was competing on the same playing field as me, i could really care less about anybody else. I think you guys put to much emphasis on the testing, its almost like you expect too much out of Mayweather. He's a human being and im sure has doubts, he just wants to make sure he instills every precaution en route to victory. I think the catch-weights are a bigger bullshit stipulation to be honest but if you wanna get paid you then you play.

[lloyd mayflower]

Once again, I never said Floyd should fund the testing. I said he should have used this PPV to make a statement of intent, and get someone else to foot the bill. GBP for example.

I dont expect too much of Mayweather. I always get exactly what I expect out of him. Breathtaking arrogance and unparalleed dickheadness coupled with a fairly hilarious stutter which is quite unusual for someone who thinks its funny to slate other people.

The fact remains, that someone brought up a valid point about the undercard guys being tested and I felt it needed expanded upon, as it shows the testing demands up for what they really are. Smoke and mirrors.

[SmartyBeardo]

Im not here to make friends either, but at the same time, I commend others on fact-based posts, and so forth. If you are making attention-seeking comments, then obviously you need some type of attention/friendship...go and find some friends in the real world. Im not a huge Pacquiao fan, I favor Mayweather just a bit more, but Im against any big name fighter/figure getting jerked out of what they are truly worth.

You speak of having "fun" around here, and thats odd for a man to try to find another man to pick/have fun with...sounds kinda funny to me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dntknw.gif) You talk about nutsack content, but obviously a man without enough "below the belt" to please a woman, would be on here looking for another man to "have fun" with. Like I said before, if you dont have a better way of commenting on my posts, then leave it alone. I have enough females worried about what I say and do...I DEFINITELY dont need a man clocking my every post. Go find somebody to play with bro (IMG:style_emoticons/default/no2.gif)

That's more like it.

You're "against any big name fighter/figure getting jerked out of what they are truly worth." Much better than you're "scared" that poor Pac isn't getting enough 10's of millions of dollars to amount to more than crumbs.

That said, what is Pac "truly worth." Do you have any idea? And, how did he become worth that amount of crumbs? Don't start with the "he's the one risking his life in there bullshit." He would still be risking his life in the ring in some PI shithole for bananas and peanuts if a keen eyed, ruthless promoter had not spotted his potential and got him together with a decent trainer that could take him to the next level. I cap on Dusty the Organ Grinder constantly for being the prick that he is but Pac would not be the phenom he became without the promotion, management and training afforded by a company like TopWank.

The contracts are where the rubber meets the road. If the contracts were violated or altered then Pac deserves his due. He seems to have taken steps to seize greater control of his business, beginning with managing his brand, the current contractual relationships and their potential.

Talent is worth what is negotiated, period. This isn't RomperFuckinRoom. This is business. There are winners and there are losers. If you don't have the ability or resources to negotiate a decent contract, you lose. Yes, fighters are taken advantage of often but that does not mean that they aren't getting what they are worth. It just means they got beaten at the negotiating table.

I've been on both sides of that table. You learn or you get fucked. That's life in this reality. If that scares you . . . well, you aren't going to be part of the solution.

As far as your posts go, you keep posting dumb assed shit like you are "scared" that Pac aint getting enough 10s of millions of dollars of "crumbs" and I'll keep "clockin" them.

And dudes that make a point of talking about how many women are interested in their dumb assed comments generally spend their time fucking themselves. Don't short out your digital device there cshel.

Bald!! Oh say it aint so Beardo. C'mon dude you're the Chuck Norris of FH, no way can you be bald (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

The very idea that Pac might not be getting as many 10s of millions of dollars as he deserves made my hair fall out, Ollie. It is just terrifying, I'm tellin' ya.

SmartyBeardo can delete the recycle bin
SmartyBeardo can leave a message before the beep
There is no such thing as race, only groups of people whom SmartyBeardo has beaten to different shades
There is no theory of evolution, only a list of creatures SmartyBeardo allows to live
When SmartyBeardo puts milk on his rice krispies, they shut the fuck up
Crop circles are SmartyBeardos way of telling corn it needs to sit its ass down
SmartyBeardo can touch MC Hammer
SmartyBeardo does not get frostbite, SmartyBeardo bites frost

Pretty damned accurate Lloyd, but I'm lactose intolerant. The Tito's shuts down the Rice Krispies.

I think my post contained my thoughts on that question. IF Floyd is making EVERYONE on his bill take tests, for the purpose of cascading this stance through the different tiers of boxing then fair enough. But id need to see evidence of that before I accept that Floyds testing stance is anything more than posturing bullshit, and in the worst case, a way out of fighting you know who.

Sorry Lloyd, but if this issue has been a way out of the fight for anyone it is Team QuackMeow.

[Cshel86]

That's more like it.

You're "against any big name fighter/figure getting jerked out of what they are truly worth." Much better than you're "scared" that poor Pac isn't getting enough 10's of millions of dollars to amount to more than crumbs.

That said, what is Pac "truly worth." Do you have any idea? And, how did he become worth that amount of crumbs? Don't start with the "he's the one risking his life in there bullshit." He would still be risking his life in the ring in some PI shithole for bananas and peanuts if a keen eyed, ruthless promoter had not spotted his potential and got him together with a decent trainer that could take him to the next level. I cap on Dusty the Organ Grinder constantly for being the prick that he is but Pac would not be the phenom he became without the promotion, management and training afforded by a company like TopWank.

The contracts are where the rubber meets the road. If the contracts were violated or altered then Pac deserves his due. He seems to have taken steps to seize greater control of his business, beginning with managing his brand, the current contractual relationships and their potential.

Talent is worth what is negotiated, period. This isn't RomperFuckinRoom. This is business. There are winners and there are losers. If you don't have the ability or resources to negotiate a decent contract, you lose. Yes, fighters are taken advantage of often but that does not mean that they aren't getting what they are worth. It just means they got beaten at the negotiating table.

I've been on both sides of that table. You learn or you get fucked. That's life in this reality. If that scares you . . . well, you aren't going to be part of the solution.

As far as your posts go, you keep posting dumb assed shit like you are "scared" that Pac aint getting enough 10s of millions of dollars of "crumbs" and I'll keep "clockin" them.

And dudes that make a point of talking about how many women are interested in their dumb assed comments generally spend their time fucking themselves. Don't short out your digital device there cshel.


The very idea that Pac might not be getting as many 10s of millions of dollars as he deserves made my hair fall out, Ollie. It is just terrifying, I'm tellin' ya.


Pretty damned accurate Lloyd, but I'm lactose intolerant. The Tito's shuts down the Rice Krispies.


Sorry Lloyd, but if this issue has been a way out of the fight for anyone it is Team QuackMeow.

Damn Beardo! Just when I almost wrote you off as a narrow-minded, internet warrior...you managed to exhibit credible intellect and curb my perception of who SmartyBeardo is. Oh yeah...the women still love me man (IMG:style_emoticons/default/taunt.gif)

This post has been edited by cshel86: Aug 8 2011, 08:04 PM

[SmartyBeardo]

Damn Beardo! Just when I almost wrote you off as a narrow-minded, internet warrior...you managed to exhibit credible intellect and curb my perception of who SmartyBeardo is. Oh yeah...the women still love me man (IMG:style_emoticons/default/taunt.gif)

Wear your condoms! Your digital device will thank you.

[Cshel86]

Wear your condoms! Your digital device will thank you.

Lol...stupid. I actually caught that joke.