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[riddick]

Mayweather or Pacquiao?What you think about it.Remember BWAA named Pacquiao before his fights versus Margarito and Mosley.

[mrchitown]

In my mind, it is btw Mayweather & Hopkins. Pacquio isn't & shouldn't even be in the conversation. When studying his wins in the decade...it becomes too arguementative. @ the beginning of the decade he was a 1 handed fighter, not a special talent @ all until Roach got a hold of him. Mayweather & B-Hop have better careers, a better resume of opponents. Given that I would have to favor Floyd. If it weren't for the loss to Calzaghe(which is bs) I would've favored Bernard but Floyd's undefeated mark wins out in this one

[The Ollie Reed F...]

In my mind, it is btw Mayweather & Hopkins. Pacquio isn't & shouldn't even be in the conversation. When studying his wins in the decade...it becomes too arguementative. @ the beginning of the decade he was a 1 handed fighter, not a special talent @ all until Roach got a hold of him. Mayweather & B-Hop have better careers, a better resume of opponents. Given that I would have to favor Floyd. If it weren't for the loss to Calzaghe(which is bs) I would've favored Bernard but Floyd's undefeated mark wins out in this one

I voted for Hopkins so it bothers me not but are you seriously trying to tell me that Morales, Barerra and Marquez aren't as good as Floyd's list of opponents? Seriously are you shitten me? Floyd has beaten De la Hoya. The rest would struggle to make the HoF.

[mrchitown]

I voted for Hopkins so it bothers me not but are you seriously trying to tell me that Morales, Barerra and Marquez aren't as good as Floyd's list of opponents? Seriously are you shitten me? Floyd has beaten De la Hoya. The rest would struggle to make the HoF.

I stand by wht the phuck I said! Yes Pac did beat 3 mexican legends but as a "whole", Mayweather's resume is more complete then his. He's beaten Corrales, Gatti(How dare you imply that he would struggle to make the HOF), DLH, Hatton, Zab, Mosley & the list goes on. Many say that Floyd has fought these people when it's beneficial to him but the same could be said for Manny & I don't believe he beat Marquez . He fought those warriors @ the tail end of their careers. Don't let your emotions get your ass checked into some shit you can't handle

[The Ollie Reed F...]

I stand by wht the phuck I said! Yes Pac did beat 3 mexican legends but as a "whole", Mayweather's resume is more complete then his. He's beaten Corrales, Gatti(How dare you imply that he would struggle to make the HOF), DLH, Hatton, Zab, Mosley & the list goes on. Many say that Floyd has fought these people when it's beneficial to him but the same could be said for Manny & I don't believe he beat Marquez . He fought those warriors @ the tail end of their careers. Don't let your emotions get your ass checked into some shit you can't handle

Sounds like you're the one whose getting his panties in a bunch tough guy.

Gatti I think will make the HoF on emotion only, and if you want to compare a Gatti win against a Barerra, Morales or JMM win then you are delusional. Same with Corrales. Seriously I don't rate Hatton so neither guy gets a big tick for that fight. And Zab. Please tell me you're joking right? Zab (hot off a loss) is a great win??!!

DLH was in semi-retirement for their fight and Floyd was obviously feeding off of Bernard's scraps but I gave Floyd a tick for that win. Mosley came in 2010 which I'm counting as the next decade (see previous posts) so that doesn't count.

Let me guess, "you're a boxing fan first and a Floyd fan second."

[mrchitown]

Sounds like you're the one whose getting his panties in a bunch tough guy.

Gatti I think will make the HoF on emotion only, and if you want to compare a Gatti win against a Barerra, Morales or JMM win then you are delusional. Same with Corrales. Seriously I don't rate Hatton so neither guy gets a big tick for that fight. And Zab. Please tell me you're joking right? Zab (hot off a loss) is a great win??!!

DLH was in semi-retirement for their fight and Floyd was obviously feeding off of Bernard's scraps but I gave Floyd a tick for that win. Mosley came in 2010 which I'm counting as the next decade (see previous posts) so that doesn't count.

Let me guess, "you're a boxing fan first and a Floyd fan second."

That's your opinion and I have mine, but don't disrespect me for stating facts. Take it how you want to Olle or whatever your name is. Your allowing your ignorance to cloud your judgement. I'm not comapring anything here except whole bodies of work and in that time Floyd's body of work his better then Manny's "in my opinion". Say what you want about Zab but he's the only 1 to give Floyd problems besides a prime Castillo. That's why I count that. And to answer your question I'm a man first and a boxing fan second. Respect me as such or stfu

[The Ollie Reed F...]

That's your opinion and I have mine, but don't disrespect me for stating facts. Take it how you want to Olle or whatever your name is. Your allowing your ignorance to cloud your judgement. I'm not comapring anything here except whole bodies of work and in that time Floyd's body of work his better then Manny's "in my opinion". Say what you want about Zab but he's the only 1 to give Floyd problems besides a prime Castillo. That's why I count that. And to answer your question I'm a man first and a boxing fan second. Respect me as such or stfu

With each post you sound more and more like a clown. To paraphrase a very famous quote on these boards, 'whaddya going to do, hit with me typeby?'

First you are 'stating the facts' then it's just your 'opinion.' Well which one is it? I'll say what I want about Zab, and that is that he hasn't had much of a career. Only one win against Cory Spinks and that's IT. Yet somehow in your Floydcentric world a win over Zab is better than a win over Morales, Barerra or JMM. I mean heck I'm happy to start a thread/vote where we can see which other fight fans think if it is a better win. You wanna put some money on who would win that bet?

Now go and suck on mommy's tit and if you're really lucky she may read you a bedtime story, clearly you like fairytales (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This post has been edited by The Ollie Reed Fan Club: Aug 17 2011, 05:32 AM

[mrchitown]

With each post you sound more and more like a clown. To paraphrase a very famous quote on these boards, 'whaddya going to do, hit with me typeby?'

First you are 'stating the facts' then it's just your 'opinion.' Well which one is it? I'll say what I want about Zab, and that is that he hasn't had much of a career. Only one win against Cory Spinks and that's IT. Yet somehow in your Floydcentric world a win over Zab is better than a win over Morales, Barerra or JMM. I mean heck I'm happy to start a thread/vote where we can see which other fight fans think if it is a better win. You wanna put some money on who would win that bet?

Now go and suck on mommy's tit and if you're really lucky she may read you a bedtime story, clearly you like fairytales (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Talking to you is like conversating with a teenager. My "opinion" includes "stating the facts". There's a difference idiot. I love floyd, manny, and bernard. But when you take a close look at their bodies of work as a whole manny isn't in the convo. In my "opinion" he hasn't beaten JMM. I think he's going to destroy JMM in Nov. He has beaten legends but he has losses in that time period, draws also, and contorversial wins(JMM). B hop and Mayweather can claim none of that. B hopp has controversial losses. By your acct, Zab is not a worthy W for Floyd. Ok, that's your opinion. But I could say the same for those victories over hatton and cotto. Cotto was busted up by margarito, he wasn't any good. And who has he beaten? Some believe he lost to sugar shane. It's just an observation. You believe what you want but yourdelusional to think that I favor one over the other due to being a fan as I'm a fan of floyd, manny, and b hop...who are clearly ahead of the pack for this kind of honor

[The Ollie Reed F...]

Talking to you is like conversating with a teenager. My "opinion" includes "stating the facts". There's a difference idiot. I love floyd, manny, and bernard. But when you take a close look at their bodies of work as a whole manny isn't in the convo. In my "opinion" he hasn't beaten JMM. I think he's going to destroy JMM in Nov.

Of course Manny (and Hopkins) took some losses, that is what is going to happen when you take on consistently tough guys.

Well since opinions count as facts in your reckoning it is the opinion of many posters on this board that Floyd did not beat Castillo in their first fight. So does that count as well? There you go again clinging to Floyd's 'O' like a life raft in the sea. If that's the case then perhaps we should bring Calzaghe into the convo?

Think before you type Sparky. Honestly you Mayweather fans are so easy to discredit it's a joke.

Next.

[mrchitown]

Of course Manny (and Hopkins) took some losses, that is what is going to happen when you take on consistently tough guys.

Well since opinions count as facts in your reckoning it is the opinion of many posters on this board that Floyd did not beat Castillo in their first fight. So does that count as well? There you go again clinging to Floyd's 'O' like a life raft in the sea. If that's the case then perhaps we should bring Calzaghe into the convo?

Think before you type Sparky. Honestly you Mayweather fans are so easy to discredit it's a joke.

Next.

Cut the redneck act. How old are you, if you've read anything in a mature and consistent manner then you would've been able to see my point of view. You have an opinion and so do I. Just because I defend my opinion doesn't make me a dominant floyd fan and just because i seem to disagree with your views on manny in some ways...doesn't make me a pac hater. I like both. I like Hopkins as well, I just favor Floyd in this particular arguement. And I do believe Castillo beat Floyd the first fight and he came back and won the rematch. I don't and will Not give him credit for the JMM fight because I don't feel he's beaten him...YET. Once again this is my "opinion". When I said I stated "facts" is when I like you and many posters as you put it agree that Mayweather lost to Castillo. Or the draws and losses for manny and b hop. separate the 2 and pay attn friend. I'm not going to go back in forth with you if you can't bother to read and asess what I am saying in an accurate manner. I'm a fan ofall 3 of these great fighters and it's just an opnion devised of "facts". Good day to you Mr Fan Club

[The Ollie Reed F...]

Cut the redneck act.

Please point out to me the 'redneck'posts I've made on the subject. I'm curious I really am. As to the rest of your post, I read it once (which was once too much) and couldn't understand a syllable of it. It was all over the place like a mad woman having a shit.

Now focus Mr Town and give us something intelligable!

I'd still like you to address the fights which you think are Floyd's greatest wins and how they rank over Hopkons or Pac's greatest wins. I've been quite clear I think 7 fights and only 1 loss to the 3 Mexicans trumps anything Floyd has done, De la Hoya included.

Same with Hopkins wins over Trinidad, Wright, Pavlik and Tarver. Again the only fighter I can put in that category for Floyd is Fishnets. I would put Castillo and Corrales probably in the Pavlik type category. Pretty good fighters with some great wins but peppered with a few too many losses to be ATG's.

Sure Hopkins lost a close disputed decision to Calzaghe but whom has Floyd fought in the last 5 years that was as good as Calzaghe?

If you don't want to go back and forth fine, but at least alert me to my redneck posts will you champ?

[mrchitown]

Please point out to me the 'redneck'posts I've made on the subject. I'm curious I really am. As to the rest of your post, I read it once (which was once too much) and couldn't understand a syllable of it. It was all over the place like a mad woman having a shit.

Now focus Mr Town and give us something intelligable!

I'd still like you to address the fights which you think are Floyd's greatest wins and how they rank over Hopkons or Pac's greatest wins. I've been quite clear I think 7 fights and only 1 loss to the 3 Mexicans trumps anything Floyd has done, De la Hoya included.

Same with Hopkins wins over Trinidad, Wright, Pavlik and Tarver. Again the only fighter I can put in that category for Floyd is Fishnets. I would put Castillo and Corrales probably in the Pavlik type category. Pretty good fighters with some great wins but peppered with a few too many losses to be ATG's.

Sure Hopkins lost a close disputed decision to Calzaghe but whom has Floyd fought in the last 5 years that was as good as Calzaghe?

If you don't want to go back and forth fine, but at least alert me to my redneck posts will you champ?

I understand what your trying to say but once again I'm looking at the complete body of work. Pac has beaten the mexican warriors and he did it ferociously I misght say, but I still won't gove him credit for fights I dont believe he won like JMM, just like I believe floyd is 40-1 because any1 with sense could see castillo was beating him in their 1st encounter. I'm not looking at when floyd, manny, or b hop fought there opponents I'm looking @ the names and he has quite the resume in that regard. I do agree that Floyd's inactivity is a factor but he has been accused of cherry picking and I believe that pac has done that as of late himself. I love to watch them fight and will continue to do so. But when I look at the wins over corrales, castillo(once) , gatti, zab, dlh, hatton, mosley, JMM. I see his victories more favorably to manny's wins over cotto, margarito, morales, barerra, JMM. He's fought those legends but I'm looking at the complete body of work here. I respect your opinion and agree to disagree