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riddick
post Aug 16 2011, 09:36 AM
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Mayweather or Pacquiao?What you think about it.Remember BWAA named Pacquiao before his fights versus Margarito and Mosley.
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MeDatsWho
post Aug 18 2011, 01:05 AM
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You guys have to understand Pac wasn't considered an amazing fighter until he moved up to 140 and won... Before that Pac was an exiciting fighter who was fun to watch but lost to morales, i thought jmm beat him twice, hes been KOed before.. Mayweather ever since the start of the decade was already considered great and the reason people would talk bad about his opposition was because they already expected so much from him because he was simple an amazing talent and it was obvious. Floyd is really the true boxer of the decade and Pac is amazing I give him credit but hes more hype and has fought people floyd already beat and is in love with catchweights.
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post Aug 18 2011, 05:39 AM
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QUOTE (MeDatsWho @ Aug 18 2011, 02:05 AM) *
You guys have to understand Pac wasn't considered an amazing fighter until he moved up to 140 and won... Before that Pac was an exiciting fighter who was fun to watch but lost to morales, i thought jmm beat him twice, hes been KOed before.. Mayweather ever since the start of the decade was already considered great and the reason people would talk bad about his opposition was because they already expected so much from him because he was simple an amazing talent and it was obvious. Floyd is really the true boxer of the decade and Pac is amazing I give him credit but hes more hype and has fought people floyd already beat and is in love with catchweights.


To be honest it was Pac's acheivements below 140 that I think are his most impressive. I mean who gives a fuck if you were considered great at the start of the decade? I'm not sure Floyd was to be honest, all his best fights were still in front of him.

Pac beat the shit out of Barerra when he was a complete unknown, manhandled Morales in away that a supposed beast like Maidana wasn't able to, and yes went wire to wire with JMM, a guy that Barerra nor Morales had taken on. Make no mistake JMM is a BEAST at those weights and going 2 close fights to him is a pretty good accomplishment. In fact I think a prime JMM is a helluva lot more of a handful than any of the fighters Floyd faced at a lighter weight and yes in my opinion I'd include JLC.

At the higher weights Floyd fought Zab, (Baldy's scraps), DLH, (Bernards scraps), Mosley (Cotto's scraps), JMM (Pac's scraps) and Baldy the feather duster seller from Argentina. Oh and I forgot Hatton the undefeated bruiser from Manchester. Really not a stunning resume.
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post Aug 18 2011, 09:30 AM
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QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Aug 18 2011, 06:39 AM) *
To be honest it was Pac's acheivements below 140 that I think are his most impressive. I mean who gives a fuck if you were considered great at the start of the decade? I'm not sure Floyd was to be honest, all his best fights were still in front of him.

Pac beat the shit out of Barerra when he was a complete unknown, manhandled Morales in away that a supposed beast like Maidana wasn't able to, and yes went wire to wire with JMM, a guy that Barerra nor Morales had taken on. Make no mistake JMM is a BEAST at those weights and going 2 close fights to him is a pretty good accomplishment. In fact I think a prime JMM is a helluva lot more of a handful than any of the fighters Floyd faced at a lighter weight and yes in my opinion I'd include JLC.

At the higher weights Floyd fought Zab, (Baldy's scraps), DLH, (Bernards scraps), Mosley (Cotto's scraps), JMM (Pac's scraps) and Baldy the feather duster seller from Argentina. Oh and I forgot Hatton the undefeated bruiser from Manchester. Really not a stunning resume.


You make it seem like Judah was a nobody, he was the unified undisputed ww champ who happen to lose to Baldomir. DLH was no middleweight, we all know that. He was still effective @154(some say his best weight). Mosley had just demolished the man who took Cotto's heart. JMM(is nobody's scraps) was as good as he is today and coming off a great fight with Diaz. Baldomir was the unified ww champ, he was #1 at the weight, how can you knock him for fighting him? I'm not saying Mayweather has the best resume but its still legit, you give the man 0 credit. is it just because you expect him to dominate all those fights?

People(not me) would argue DLH beat him. Judah was effective. He had never fought a fighter like Shane. Baldomir was too big. Mayweather beats all of them clean and its like, "those guys all weren't that good."

You give Pac all the credit in the world for his wins against morales(he lost to him first) Barrera(i still think his best win) and Marquez(2 very close fights) but is there any doubt that had any of those fighters fought Mayweather at 130(they were all @126 at the same time) that he wouldn't have won?

Mayweather is definitely a great fighter, he may have taken an easy path in some respects and not fought all of the best around him. that argument could be made for Hopkin,s as well as Jones, Pacquiao, Leonard and any other fighter of the last 40 years. Not every fight gets made, tell me one fight that could have reasonably been made while Mayweather was @ any given weight(weights he competed @) that you would hands down pick against him?
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QUOTE (EAlbian @ Aug 18 2011, 09:30 AM) *
You make it seem like Judah was a nobody, he was the unified undisputed ww champ who happen to lose to Baldomir. DLH was no middleweight, we all know that. He was still effective @154(some say his best weight). Mosley had just demolished the man who took Cotto's heart. JMM(is nobody's scraps) was as good as he is today and coming off a great fight with Diaz. Baldomir was the unified ww champ, he was #1 at the weight, how can you knock him for fighting him? I'm not saying Mayweather has the best resume but its still legit, you give the man 0 credit. is it just because you expect him to dominate all those fights?


He just happened to lose? Haha see the problem with yor logic is there were many fights for Floyd to take north of 140 and he always used to dimiss them by saying "oh look this guy has 3 losses on his record why should I bother fighting him?" He dismissed Mosley earlier when Shane was closer to his prime by saying that, dismissed Williams after he LOST to Quintana, dismissed Margarito for the same reason. I'm not saying he would lose to those guys but if that is your logic how can he justify fighting a guy (Judah) that came straight off a loss?

Also if you are a half decent fighter with potentially the biggest fight of your life coming up you don't 'happen to lose to Bladomir.' It sorta sums Zab up perfectly dont you think?

The reason I bring up scraps is Pac is constantly hammered for fighting guys that have recently been beaten. Well doesn't Mayweather do the same? The only undefeated guy he fought in recent times was Hatton. See that's my point, the whole Manny fights guys with recent losses can be used on Floyd too.

Can't have it both ways I'm afraid.


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- riddick   Who is true boxer of decade (2001-2010)   Aug 16 2011, 09:36 AM
- - riddick   My choice - Mayweather.Ideal boxer.Undefeated.   Aug 16 2011, 09:41 AM
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