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[Cshel86]

I don't know about the rest of the boxing fans out there, but waiting for two big names to save the sport, is killing it. Some fighters are depending on "The Big Fight" before they start to step on the gas. Whatever happened to "everybody fighting everybody"? I was proud to be a boxing fan in the era of De La Hoya, Trinidad, Vargas, Wright, Forrest, Mosley, Mayorga, Hopkins, Taylor, etc. They all fought each other and convincingly worked their way towards big fights, and gave fans something to talk about.

We now have a nearly failed 140 lb division that was very promising, a shakey Welterweight division (still a lot of money in it though) and inexperienced/relatively unknown fighters trying to cash out by begging for fights with the big name fighters. Again, when the two big names hang 'em up, where will the sport be? Will we be proud to watch fighters who stepped it up and earned the top spot, or will we be stuck with guys who got recognized by default?

[gravytrain]

Berto and Alvarez are entirely different animals. Alvarez actually can fill a stadium and sell out shows, Berto was unknown by a lot of casual fans and only got fights on HBO because of Haymon. Greenberg is gone and I'm hoping that with that so are the days of trading HBO boxing dates for securing Lady Gaga and other pop star concerts on HBO.

Alvarez is only 21 and It would be wrong for GBP to rush this kid into a fight that he's not ready for. He has easily 10 years in the game left and had a very limited amateur career, I would hate to see him end up like Vargas.

I think Gomez is a step up for him, he's durable and has some skills(looked pretty good against Sotto-Karras). I'd like to see him in there with someone like Mosley(someone experienced with a name) or even K9 next and then look for the winner of Vanes v Angulo. After those 2 fights i think he's ready for Cotto/Margarito winner.

I think right now GBP has three potential stars to carry the sport after Floyd and Manny(Khan, Ortiz, Alvarez). I think all of them can make for good fights against each other.

If Top Rank and GBP are really serious about matching their fighters(hasn't happened yet, not any of their good crop at least) then I think boxing will be just fine.

If good fighters fight other good fighters the sport can turn itself around. GBP has a good young stable and it seems like they are willing to match their young(er) fighters tough(Guerrero vs Maidana)(Ortiz vs Berto)(Khan vs Maidana)(Deleon vs Broner) and that's what boxing needs.

would Alvarez be getting this much attention without GBP having such an interest in him? you can't forget that he'll be headlining his own PPV within his next few fights either. Schaefer already called it and said Mayorga was a possible opponent. what's the real difference between Alvarez and Berto? they're both hype jobs, different people just created them. and both of these cats has the benefit of working with someone that's in deep with HBO.

why would GBP have to change anything with Alvarez? fighters with clout can already move up and get a paper title or stay in a division while staying away from dangerous fighters. that's already happening. what would make anyone thinking that years down the line GBP is going to want to risk the heir to the throne when he'll most likely be headlining successful HBO PPVs? boxing hasn't been that way for awhile.

[EAlbian]

would Alvarez be getting this much attention without GBP having such an interest in him? you can't forget that he'll be headlining his own PPV within his next few fights either. Schaefer already called it and said Mayorga was a possible opponent. what's the real difference between Alvarez and Berto? they're both hype jobs, different people just created them. and both of these cats has the benefit of working with someone that's in deep with HBO.

why would GBP have to change anything with Alvarez? fighters with clout can already move up and get a paper title or stay in a division while staying away from dangerous fighters. that's already happening. what would make anyone thinking that years down the line GBP is going to want to risk the heir to the throne when he'll most likely be headlining successful HBO PPVs? boxing hasn't been that way for awhile.

Actually in Mexico he was selling out huge stadiums without GBP. I think a Mayorga fight would be ok actually. He's 21 i don't get what the rush is, Cotto just fought Mayorga and it took him 12 rounds to get rid of him. Is Cotto all hype now? I think you'll see Alvarez in their tough, just not yet. Maybe a year or two. I still regard him as a prospect, a work in progress. Vanes and Angulo are suppose to be fighting in an eliminator, he will have to vacate and at that point should be looked down on. Rhodes was his mandatory and he beat the hell out of him. This isn't 130, it's 154 and people can get seriously hurt. He's worth a lot of money and there is no reason to move him any faster than he's being moved. Look what Trinidad did to David Reid and Fernando Vargas

[gravytrain]

Actually in Mexico he was selling out huge stadiums without GBP. I think a Mayorga fight would be ok actually. He's 21 i don't get what the rush is, Cotto just fought Mayorga and it took him 12 rounds to get rid of him. Is Cotto all hype now? I think you'll see Alvarez in their tough, just not yet. Maybe a year or two. I still regard him as a prospect, a work in progress. Vanes and Angulo are suppose to be fighting in an eliminator, he will have to vacate and at that point should be looked down on. Rhodes was his mandatory and he beat the hell out of him. This isn't 130, it's 154 and people can get seriously hurt. He's worth a lot of money and there is no reason to move him any faster than he's being moved. Look what Trinidad did to David Reid and Fernando Vargas

how many dates on American networks did he get before he got with GBP? and is this dude vs Mayorga good for a PPV? we're talking about a PPV Canelo will be the A side of, not an undercard fight. and Cotto isn't all hype, he's all shot. how many prospects get their own venue for an undercard fight? i can't think of any. and if he does vacate what's really going to happen? that's not going to keep him from any PPVs, he can just say he outgrew the division then wait in the MW division until the WBC can get him another title. the WBC hasn't exactly been free of controversy lately so that eliminator doesn't mean much to me right now.

i don't think there's any denying that Canelo has got some favorable treatment and with how boxing has been slipping he can keep getting that treatment until he retires. if he gets good numbers on his upcoming PPVs i doubt he'll ever have his level of competition raised too much.

[EAlbian]

how many dates on American networks did he get before he got with GBP? and is this dude vs Mayorga good for a PPV? we're talking about a PPV Canelo will be the A side of, not an undercard fight. and Cotto isn't all hype, he's all shot. how many prospects get their own venue for an undercard fight? i can't think of any. and if he does vacate what's really going to happen? that's not going to keep him from any PPVs, he can just say he outgrew the division then wait in the MW division until the WBC can get him another title. the WBC hasn't exactly been free of controversy lately so that eliminator doesn't mean much to me right now.

i don't think there's any denying that Canelo has got some favorable treatment and with how boxing has been slipping he can keep getting that treatment until he retires. if he gets good numbers on his upcoming PPVs i doubt he'll ever have his level of competition raised too much.

I guess it's just kind of a glass half empty view on stuff that I don't wish to take. He was 19 at the time with no amateur experience and gained the following, its because of what people saw in him that he's able to command these wages and opportunities. was it fair that Ray Leonard got 1mill for his pro debut while Pryor(who was thought to be just as good of an amateur) got like $800? Life isn't always fair and neither is boxing. De La Hoya put Ortiz in tough with Maidana when he was suppose to be his next golden ticket, why should Alvarez be different.

It's a known fact that Mexicans spend money on boxing and he's a star there, take it up with Mexico. Who should he be fighting in your opinion?