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post Aug 22 2011, 12:07 PM
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I don't know about the rest of the boxing fans out there, but waiting for two big names to save the sport, is killing it. Some fighters are depending on "The Big Fight" before they start to step on the gas. Whatever happened to "everybody fighting everybody"? I was proud to be a boxing fan in the era of De La Hoya, Trinidad, Vargas, Wright, Forrest, Mosley, Mayorga, Hopkins, Taylor, etc. They all fought each other and convincingly worked their way towards big fights, and gave fans something to talk about.

We now have a nearly failed 140 lb division that was very promising, a shakey Welterweight division (still a lot of money in it though) and inexperienced/relatively unknown fighters trying to cash out by begging for fights with the big name fighters. Again, when the two big names hang 'em up, where will the sport be? Will we be proud to watch fighters who stepped it up and earned the top spot, or will we be stuck with guys who got recognized by default?
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post Aug 22 2011, 06:06 PM
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I agree with what's being said about Alvarez should not be rushed, he has a limited amateur career and should come along slowly, but all of that gets thrown out the window when you decide to pick up one of the major world titles. That's the only problem.
When you pick up a major title, you need to pick up competition, if you want a fighter to keep learning and bringing him up slowly, don't put him in a world title fight. That's the only thing.
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post Aug 22 2011, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE (Fitz @ Aug 22 2011, 07:06 PM) *
I agree with what's being said about Alvarez should not be rushed, he has a limited amateur career and should come along slowly, but all of that gets thrown out the window when you decide to pick up one of the major world titles. That's the only problem.
When you pick up a major title, you need to pick up competition, if you want a fighter to keep learning and bringing him up slowly, don't put him in a world title fight. That's the only thing.

Yeah for him to only be 21, he has too many things going on that points him into the direction of stepping up...maybe past his level of comfort/experience. He is signed with a major promotional company that is run by one of the biggest stars in boxing, he is being promoted as being the next Oscar De La Hoya, he sells 10s of 1000s of tickets with a major fan base, and he's a champ with an exceptional fighting style. Unfortunately, he has too many good years ahead of him in boxing (as someone stated earlier), so he is gonna have to step up sometime or another...GBP cant bullshit their way through it too long. We all see what happened to the last young prospect that they prematurely crowned the "next Oscar De La Hoya". If they would've been more careful with this career early on, then he wouldn't have got his clock cleaned so soon against Maidana.
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post Aug 22 2011, 08:22 PM
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QUOTE (cshel86 @ Aug 22 2011, 08:58 PM) *
Yeah for him to only be 21, he has too many things going on that points him into the direction of stepping up...maybe past his level of comfort/experience. He is signed with a major promotional company that is run by one of the biggest stars in boxing, he is being promoted as being the next Oscar De La Hoya, he sells 10s of 1000s of tickets with a major fan base, and he's a champ with an exceptional fighting style. Unfortunately, he has too many good years ahead of him in boxing (as someone stated earlier), so he is gonna have to step up sometime or another...GBP cant bullshit their way through it too long. We all see what happened to the last young prospect that they prematurely crowned the "next Oscar De La Hoya". If they would've been more careful with this career early on, then he wouldn't have got his clock cleaned so soon against Maidana.




I think the difference bewteen Alvarez and say Chavez Jr is you can see with Saul there is room for improvement and he can develop, withChavez Jr you get the feeling that he's reached his peak and probably can't get much better.

That's why I'm cool with Alvarez being moved along a bit slower. I just wished they hadn't put a damn trinket around his waist. That is a target on his back that he didn't need at this stage in his career. But at the time GBP's talent pool was looking a bit shallow so they went ahead and did it anyway.

That's my take on it anyway.
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post Aug 22 2011, 10:14 PM
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QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Aug 22 2011, 09:22 PM) *
I think the difference bewteen Alvarez and say Chavez Jr is you can see with Saul there is room for improvement and he can develop, withChavez Jr you get the feeling that he's reached his peak and probably can't get much better.

That's why I'm cool with Alvarez being moved along a bit slower. I just wished they hadn't put a damn trinket around his waist. That is a target on his back that he didn't need at this stage in his career. But at the time GBP's talent pool was looking a bit shallow so they went ahead and did it anyway.

That's my take on it anyway.


they're moving him slow when it comes to opposition but his career itself is going way too fast. people talk about this guy like he's just been on BAD a couple times. he already has a title, has his own venue for a fight on Mayweather's undercard and will be headlining his own PPV within his next few fights.
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- cshel86   Where is Boxing Going?   Aug 22 2011, 12:07 PM
- - caneman   QUOTE (cshel86 @ Aug 22 2011, 12:07 PM) I...   Aug 22 2011, 12:13 PM
- - caneman   sorry DP   Aug 22 2011, 12:13 PM
- - Eighty88Eight   Boxing is going the way of the dodo, is where it...   Aug 22 2011, 12:16 PM
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- - cshel86   Yeah these sanctioning bodies are doing what they ...   Aug 22 2011, 12:40 PM
- - PlayaPartner   It is mostly due to Promoters. If a promoter will...   Aug 22 2011, 01:17 PM
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- - checkleft   It's all about what the promoters want, if you...   Aug 22 2011, 05:43 PM
- - Fitz   I agree with what's being said about Alvarez s...   Aug 22 2011, 06:06 PM
|- - EAlbian   QUOTE (Fitz @ Aug 22 2011, 07:06 PM) I ag...   Aug 22 2011, 06:09 PM
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|- - cshel86   QUOTE (Fitz @ Aug 22 2011, 07:06 PM) I ag...   Aug 22 2011, 07:58 PM
|- - The Ollie Reed Fan Club   QUOTE (cshel86 @ Aug 22 2011, 08:58 PM) Y...   Aug 22 2011, 08:22 PM
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