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post Aug 22 2011, 12:07 PM
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I don't know about the rest of the boxing fans out there, but waiting for two big names to save the sport, is killing it. Some fighters are depending on "The Big Fight" before they start to step on the gas. Whatever happened to "everybody fighting everybody"? I was proud to be a boxing fan in the era of De La Hoya, Trinidad, Vargas, Wright, Forrest, Mosley, Mayorga, Hopkins, Taylor, etc. They all fought each other and convincingly worked their way towards big fights, and gave fans something to talk about.

We now have a nearly failed 140 lb division that was very promising, a shakey Welterweight division (still a lot of money in it though) and inexperienced/relatively unknown fighters trying to cash out by begging for fights with the big name fighters. Again, when the two big names hang 'em up, where will the sport be? Will we be proud to watch fighters who stepped it up and earned the top spot, or will we be stuck with guys who got recognized by default?
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post Aug 24 2011, 05:14 PM
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I think HBO has been trying to hype up new fighters and hand them crowns to back up the hype - Jermain Taylor, Chad Dawson, even Bojado are GLARING examples.
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post Aug 24 2011, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE (Method @ Aug 24 2011, 06:14 PM) *
I think HBO has been trying to hype up new fighters and hand them crowns to back up the hype - Jermain Taylor, Chad Dawson, even Bojado are GLARING examples.


I agree, remember this bullshit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pet7vZPV4Q

HBO needs to build their fighters by putting them in tough, cream rises to top. stars will make themselves. HBO I hope is serious about putting on a prospect series like shobox
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post Aug 24 2011, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE (EAlbian @ Aug 24 2011, 06:45 PM) *
I agree, remember this bullshit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pet7vZPV4Q

HBO needs to build their fighters by putting them in tough, cream rises to top. stars will make themselves. HBO I hope is serious about putting on a prospect series like shobox


shobox develops them....hbo steals them.

look at andre ward as the prime example. they sign him out of the olympics...and try and dictate who he should fight and all that. he gets dropped...they question him and his ability. ward and his ppl opted out of his hbo contract and chose to fly under the radar. best thing they could have ever done because he was able to pick and choose his opponents so that he could develop properly at his own pace. now, he's ready for the big time. it doesn't always work that way...but hbo doesn't know how to build champions. they should leave that to the professionals and just stick to putting on the best available fights like showtime does.
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post Aug 25 2011, 12:20 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Aug 24 2011, 07:48 PM) *
shobox develops them....hbo steals them.

look at andre ward as the prime example. they sign him out of the olympics...and try and dictate who he should fight and all that. he gets dropped...they question him and his ability. ward and his ppl opted out of his hbo contract and chose to fly under the radar. best thing they could have ever done because he was able to pick and choose his opponents so that he could develop properly at his own pace. now, he's ready for the big time. it doesn't always work that way...but hbo doesn't know how to build champions. they should leave that to the professionals and just stick to putting on the best available fights like showtime does.


Yea i can agree with that but what i don't like is that HBO pays the undeveloped guys way too much money to fight easy competition instead of matching them tough and letting the cream rise to the top. Showtime matches its fighters tough, HBO needs to drop HBO after dark or change the format to something similar to Shobox.

Ward is a good example but at the same time he was still very untested(he had a Miranda win) at the beginning of the super six and not expected to do nearly as well as he has. He was a 6-1 underdog against Kessler.
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- cshel86   Where is Boxing Going?   Aug 22 2011, 12:07 PM
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