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Allmenjoi8
post Aug 22 2011, 08:42 PM
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If Vicious Victor Ortiz wins the fight on September 17th it will be sports biggest upsets ever. He will no doubt be the top guy for a VERY long time. Victor will make his own rules and be a money fight for anyone who wants to fight him. He could pick to fight Khan or Pac, hell even another rematch with Marcos M. His future will be in his own hands. But if he loses then what? Will his stock go down or will Khan want to fight him or Pac? Will he get the big names fights? Everyone knows that if May loses that Pac fight is down the toilet and he can just retire because no one will care to see him fight. That 0 is keeping people interested. But Ortiz is young, how will he keep people interested in seeing him fight if he loses to May?
Depending on how he loses (if he does) will determine his future. If he gives May all he can handle then people will respect him, being beaten by May is nothing to cry about. I like Victor, he has a nice story and I like his cockiness. Its appealing and sales tickets. I am pulling for MJ but I have respect for Victor, I just hope the boxing world does too after Sep 17th. Any thoughts?
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SmartyBeardo
post Aug 23 2011, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE (mgrover @ Aug 23 2011, 04:00 AM) *
if he won. mayweather would rematch and woop his ass.lightening does not strike in the same place twice or something like that. also if he won i can think of a couple of reasons that he would win, mayweathers lay offs would be taken into account and the fact hes 37. just seems that anyone that beats him now it will seem like a tainted victory.

This post reads like you finger-painted it with your own shit.

Let me get this straight - if Ortiz wins it will be a tainted victory because of FMJ's layoffs and the fact that he is 30 something, but FMJ will come back and "woop his ass."

The fact that you had no fucking Earthly idea how old FMJ is had little to do with the reality that your post is one of the most ignorant comments that I have read on this forum in quite some time.

QUOTE (mgrover @ Aug 23 2011, 07:48 AM) *
i made a mistake with the age. boo fucking hoo. doesnt make my point wrong.

your just another keyboard warrior. how you guna shut me up hit me with the keyboard?

and to anybody else saying crap about hes my favourite fighter. hes far from it. am just statin what can be taken into account.

sure shane mosley lost to two people twice. but there not the same fighter. Floyd obvious lost to castillo the first fight but definitley beat him the second fight.

Read your original post, Einstone. I was doing you a favor when I suggested that you STFU. I knew that you couldn't help but come back and play your own pesonal version of that wigger playing himself in (what was it?) 9 Kilometers or some shit - "No I don't no what the fuck I'm talking about. Yes my head is a full truckload of sauerkraut. Its true I have nothing original to say and my best line is a tired cliche. I am a dumbass. I know its true. I look in the mirror to see a fool man chew. Doesn't make my point wrong. I like wearing this thong. What you gonna do? I already got a wedgy turning my nutsac blue."

You shoulda STFU when you had the chance.

QUOTE (mgrover @ Aug 23 2011, 09:18 AM) *
the judges saw it how they saw it and the fans see it how they see it. am sure plenty of people on here would agree he should of lost that fight. and that's right he hasn't shown ring rust against a competitor moving up two weight classes to fight him. but hes also older now. for Ortiz if he won i would definitely give him credit for it, i just can't see it happen over 12 rounds. If he did win, there's no way he could do it again. no am not a fan of Mayweather, but realistically does Ortiz have a chance? He has somewhat higher punchers chance than most fighters.

Here we go again . . . "Ortiz doesn't have a chance, but if he wins it will be a tainted victory . . . and I don't like my floydie, BTW."

QUOTE (mgrover @ Aug 23 2011, 11:23 AM) *
he didnt look rusty against mosley but that shot he took, I don't think he would of taken it if it wasnt for a lay off. after he adjusted for that shot by throwing a left hook to ensure mosley backed off.

"My Floydie didn't look rusty against Mosley, but Mosley wouldn't have landed that shot if my Floydie wasn't rusty."

On second thought please, I'm begging you, don't STFU. This is too entertaining.
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post Aug 24 2011, 05:40 AM
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QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ Aug 24 2011, 05:00 AM) *
This post reads like you finger-painted it with your own shit.

Let me get this straight - if Ortiz wins it will be a tainted victory because of FMJ's layoffs and the fact that he is 30 something, but FMJ will come back and "woop his ass."

The fact that you had no fucking Earthly idea how old FMJ is had little to do with the reality that your post is one of the most ignorant comments that I have read on this forum in quite some time.


Read your original post, Einstone. I was doing you a favor when I suggested that you STFU. I knew that you couldn't help but come back and play your own pesonal version of that wigger playing himself in (what was it?) 9 Kilometers or some shit - "No I don't no what the fuck I'm talking about. Yes my head is a full truckload of sauerkraut. Its true I have nothing original to say and my best line is a tired cliche. I am a dumbass. I know its true. I look in the mirror to see a fool man chew. Doesn't make my point wrong. I like wearing this thong. What you gonna do? I already got a wedgy turning my nutsac blue."

You shoulda STFU when you had the chance.


Here we go again . . . "Ortiz doesn't have a chance, but if he wins it will be a tainted victory . . . and I don't like my floydie, BTW."


"My Floydie didn't look rusty against Mosley, but Mosley wouldn't have landed that shot if my Floydie wasn't rusty."

On second thought please, I'm begging you, don't STFU. This is too entertaining.


look its like this. there is no way on earth you can do any type of damage to me, and I don't give a fuck what you have to say. I could contradict myself by saying am an atheist that believes in god and you can point me out to the world and I'd still say go fuck off and argue with someone who wants to argue. Cause at the end of a day your picking some shitty argument on the internet like another keyboard warrior. I stand by my point. you stand by yours. good for you.

see I wouldn't mind if you brought something to an arguement other than racism. thats all you are a racist fuck. other people have said how I could be wrong and none of them resorted to being racisted. am not white so i doubt am a wigger.
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post Aug 24 2011, 08:54 AM
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QUOTE (mgrover @ Aug 24 2011, 03:40 AM) *
look its like this. there is no way on earth you can do any type of damage to me, and I don't give a fuck what you have to say. I could contradict myself by saying am an atheist that believes in god and you can point me out to the world and I'd still say go fuck off and argue with someone who wants to argue. Cause at the end of a day your picking some shitty argument on the internet like another keyboard warrior. I stand by my point. you stand by yours. good for you.

see I wouldn't mind if you brought something to an arguement other than racism. thats all you are a racist fuck. other people have said how I could be wrong and none of them resorted to being racisted. am not white so i doubt am a wigger.

I didn't accuse you of being a wigger. I don't care what your mommy and daddy are/were. You could be a fucking raccoon that made off with some high school girl's laptop for all I know. I have never desired to do damage to you.

But why would I engage in an actual argument with someone who does not have enough sense (and pride) to give a shit what they say or how they say it? You just spew out nonsense and defend it with nonsense. And when someone points out your nonsense you reply with shit like you don't give a fuck if you make no sense and it doesn't matter how nonsensical you are because nobody can hurt you on the internet. Then you resume with your nonsensical argument. And when in doubt, accuse the person who points out your nonsense of being racist.

Your argument is stupid. Feigning pride in that fact does not make it any less ignorant. Now pull your panties out of your taint,move on and try to make your next opinion less idiotic.

Your fellow raccoons will thank you.
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post Aug 24 2011, 10:43 AM
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QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ Aug 24 2011, 02:54 PM) *
I didn't accuse you of being a wigger. I don't care what your mommy and daddy are/were. You could be a fucking raccoon that made off with some high school girl's laptop for all I know. I have never desired to do damage to you.

But why would I engage in an actual argument with someone who does not have enough sense (and pride) to give a shit what they say or how they say it? You just spew out nonsense and defend it with nonsense. And when someone points out your nonsense you reply with shit like you don't give a fuck if you make no sense and it doesn't matter how nonsensical you are because nobody can hurt you on the internet. Then you resume with your nonsensical argument. And when in doubt, accuse the person who points out your nonsense of being racist.

Your argument is stupid. Feigning pride in that fact does not make it any less ignorant. Now pull your panties out of your taint,move on and try to make your next opinion less idiotic.

Your fellow raccoons will thank you.


Correction I don't give a fuck when someone like you points out am wrong and then talk shit about it and then won't even give a counter argument. I've got enough pride in my arguments. in all the shit you've spewed you've yet anything to say that's boxing worthy. All you've done is attack a randomer on the net with simple shit like, you love Floyd. Haven't seen anything to do with boxing at all. Am not in doubt either (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

If you won't engaged in an argument why are you still replying? I mean really.


I misread your Eminem reference, I take back accusing you of being racist.

I may as well say your post is utter trash that comes out of me when I have milk (lactose intolerable) and not bother giving an explanation or any other reasons why. Am not saying your post is, just an example, don't get all pissed off over a few words (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Aug 24 2011, 01:03 PM
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QUOTE (mgrover @ Aug 24 2011, 08:43 AM) *
Correction I don't give a fuck when someone like you points out am wrong and then talk shit about it and then won't even give a counter argument. I've got enough pride in my arguments. in all the shit you've spewed you've yet anything to say that's boxing worthy. All you've done is attack a randomer on the net with simple shit like, you love Floyd. Haven't seen anything to do with boxing at all. Am not in doubt either (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

If you won't engaged in an argument why are you still replying? I mean really.


I misread your Eminem reference, I take back accusing you of being racist.

I may as well say your post is utter trash that comes out of me when I have milk (lactose intolerable) and not bother giving an explanation or any other reasons why. Am not saying your post is, just an example, don't get all pissed off over a few words (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Actually, I did engage, but your ability to discern an argument is on the level of your ability to discern racism.

I have stated repeatedly that your claim that if Ortiz defeats FMJ it will be a tainted victory is nonsense. Translation for the grovers of the world = If Ortiz defeats FMJ on September 17 it will not be tainted.

Pretty simple but obviously not simple enough for those who are ignorant enough to deduct that if Ortiz defeats FMJ it will be a tainted victory.

BTW, others have attempted to camouflage their Floydiotry by claiming they believe FMJ lost to Castillo. It didn't work for them either.
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post Aug 24 2011, 01:45 PM
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QUOTE (SmartyBeardo @ Aug 24 2011, 07:03 PM) *
Actually, I did engage, but your ability to discern an argument is on the level of your ability to discern racism.

I have stated repeatedly that your claim that if Ortiz defeats FMJ it will be a tainted victory is nonsense. Translation for the grovers of the world = If Ortiz defeats FMJ on September 17 it will not be tainted.

Pretty simple but obviously not simple enough for those who are ignorant enough to deduct that if Ortiz defeats FMJ it will be a tainted victory.

BTW, others have attempted to camouflage their Floydiotry by claiming they believe FMJ lost to Castillo. It didn't work for them either.


fair enough. you have your opinion and I have mine. but am not joking about the Floydiotry. You can call me an idiot, but an insult would be calling me a floyd fan
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