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Allmenjoi8
post Aug 22 2011, 08:42 PM
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If Vicious Victor Ortiz wins the fight on September 17th it will be sports biggest upsets ever. He will no doubt be the top guy for a VERY long time. Victor will make his own rules and be a money fight for anyone who wants to fight him. He could pick to fight Khan or Pac, hell even another rematch with Marcos M. His future will be in his own hands. But if he loses then what? Will his stock go down or will Khan want to fight him or Pac? Will he get the big names fights? Everyone knows that if May loses that Pac fight is down the toilet and he can just retire because no one will care to see him fight. That 0 is keeping people interested. But Ortiz is young, how will he keep people interested in seeing him fight if he loses to May?
Depending on how he loses (if he does) will determine his future. If he gives May all he can handle then people will respect him, being beaten by May is nothing to cry about. I like Victor, he has a nice story and I like his cockiness. Its appealing and sales tickets. I am pulling for MJ but I have respect for Victor, I just hope the boxing world does too after Sep 17th. Any thoughts?
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Allmenjoi8
post Aug 23 2011, 05:16 PM
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It all comes down to how Ortiz fights. If he fades in the middle and later rounds and becomes Floyd punching bag, he can fight Shane or Sergio. That would be a big fight. Khan would be interesting and if Bradely moves up that would be another great fight. It all comes down to how he fights wins or lose. If he wins his career is in his hands if he loses he better put on a good performance. I wonder if his trainer knows what the hell he is doing... I just do not want him to take this fight as another walk in the park. Hell if he knocks May down that is an accomplishment. I hope he has a good game plan, if May figures him out in three rounds like he did Shane or JMM then it is over. If May picks him apart and toys with him like Hatton then its all bad. I want Ortiz to box smart and brawl when neccessary. I can't wait to Sep 17! Let's go
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QUOTE (Allmenjoi8 @ Aug 23 2011, 06:16 PM) *
I hope he has a good game plan, if May figures him out in three rounds like he did Shane or JMM then it is over.


Trust me Mayweather already has him figured out. I'm pleased to see Victor get a payday and shot at redemption but he brings nothing that Mayweather hasn't faced better before.

I'm more pumped for the undercard!
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post Aug 23 2011, 07:05 PM
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QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Aug 23 2011, 08:00 PM) *
Trust me Mayweather already has him figured out. I'm pleased to see Victor get a payday and shot at redemption but he brings nothing that Mayweather hasn't faced better before.

I'm more pumped for the undercard!


Trust me Mayweather already has him figured out. I'm pleased to see Castillo get a payday but he brings nothing that Mayweather hasn't faced better before.
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QUOTE (Eighty88Eight @ Aug 23 2011, 08:05 PM) *
Trust me Mayweather already has him figured out. I'm pleased to see Castillo get a payday but he brings nothing that Mayweather hasn't faced better before.


Are you trying to suggest a similiarity?

Before Castillo Floyd had only fought Hernandez, Corrales and Augustus. Their first fight was nine freaken years ago. Gee do you think Floyd has got a bit more experience since then? Seasoned himself some more?

Since that fight he's gone on to face a variety of boxers and sluggers, Corley, Gatti, Mitchell, Baldomir, Hatton, Judah, Hoya, Mosley and Marquez gaining more experience each time. Hence Ortiz brings nothing that Floyd hasn't seen before.

And seriously are you comparing the talent levels, heart and desire of JLC and Ortiz? You must be joking. You should wash your mouth out with soap.

I hope you realise in trying to make a cute point you just made yourself look very very silly.
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post Aug 23 2011, 08:53 PM
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QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Aug 23 2011, 08:40 PM) *
Are you trying to suggest a similiarity?

Before Castillo Floyd had only fought Hernandez, Corrales and Augustus. Their first fight was nine freaken years ago. Gee do you think Floyd has got a bit more experience since then? Seasoned himself some more?

Since that fight he's gone on to face a variety of boxers and sluggers, Corley, Gatti, Mitchell, Baldomir, Hatton, Judah, Hoya, Mosley and Marquez gaining more experience each time. Hence Ortiz brings nothing that Floyd hasn't seen before.

And seriously are you comparing the talent levels, heart and desire of JLC and Ortiz? You must be joking. You should wash your mouth out with soap.

I hope you realise in trying to make a cute point you just made yourself look very very silly.


What I'm illustrating is how people write some fighters off for really trifling reasons, such as "he isn't anything he hasn't seen before". If you would use your brain, you'd realize that this is really a different challenge than what Mayweather has previously encountered. I'm not suggesting it will matter, but I seem to recall Uncle Roger saying "if you throw a beer bottle in the ring, it'll land on Castillo's chin". And that it'll "be easier than the Chavez fight". When good, willful, strong, hungry fighters face each other, anything can happen. 10 years younger, a very long layoff, hungry, left handed (the best of Mayweather's career, actually), a tremendous right hook, good hand speed... that's an attribute list you can't completely assign to any of the other Mayweather challenges. This may very well look a lot like Tarver-Jones I especially early on.
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QUOTE (Eighty88Eight @ Aug 23 2011, 08:53 PM) *
What I'm illustrating is how people write some fighters off for really trifling reasons, such as "he isn't anything he hasn't seen before". If you would use your brain, you'd realize that this is really a different challenge than what Mayweather has previously encountered. I'm not suggesting it will matter, but I seem to recall Uncle Roger saying "if you throw a beer bottle in the ring, it'll land on Castillo's chin". And that it'll "be easier than the Chavez fight". When good, willful, strong, hungry fighters face each other, anything can happen. 10 years younger, a very long layoff, hungry, left handed (the best of Mayweather's career, actually), a tremendous right hook, good hand speed... that's an attribute list you can't completely assign to any of the other Mayweather challenges. This may very well look a lot like Tarver-Jones I especially early on.



I don't doubt that anything could happen, Tyson-Douglas will always be proof of that but to suggest that this is somehow a tough challenge for Floyd is drawing a fucken long bow in my opinion.

If Floyd loses it will be because he hasn't prepared well as I don't think talent for talent Victor is even in the same galaxy as Floyd. However the one thing you can always be assured of is that Floyd prepares better than almost anyone. This should be an easy fight for Floyd but of course miracles do happen. An Ortiz victory would be a miracle in my book. And it won't look anything like Tarver/Jones 1 as Floyd's weight will be on point and he will be in tip top shape, not weight drained like Roy.

A love how you're describing Ortiz like a mini Ivan Drago based off one victory over Andre Berto. I sure as hell didn't see a hungry fighter against Maidana or a championship guy ready to close the show down the stretch against Peterson. I saw a good fighter who makes a lot of mistakes. Floyd punishes mistakes probably better than anyone in the sport save Hopkins.
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post Aug 24 2011, 08:51 AM
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QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Aug 23 2011, 10:36 PM) *
I don't doubt that anything could happen, Tyson-Douglas will always be proof of that but to suggest that this is somehow a tough challenge for Floyd is drawing a fucken long bow in my opinion.

If Floyd loses it will be because he hasn't prepared well as I don't think talent for talent Victor is even in the same galaxy as Floyd. However the one thing you can always be assured of is that Floyd prepares better than almost anyone. This should be an easy fight for Floyd but of course miracles do happen. An Ortiz victory would be a miracle in my book. And it won't look anything like Tarver/Jones 1 as Floyd's weight will be on point and he will be in tip top shape, not weight drained like Roy.

A love how you're describing Ortiz like a mini Ivan Drago based off one victory over Andre Berto. I sure as hell didn't see a hungry fighter against Maidana or a championship guy ready to close the show down the stretch against Peterson. I saw a good fighter who makes a lot of mistakes. Floyd punishes mistakes probably better than anyone in the sport save Hopkins.


Well it was a good victory. Arguably a better win than any of Mayweather's wins at welterweight. As some have said, those 7 pounds seem to have helped Ortiz a good deal, and when he got hit with big shots, he didn't get frustrated like he did against Maidana. People can change, people's mentalities can change, people can grow stronger, especially when they're young. I wouldn't place too much stock in Ortiz's pre-Berto fights. The victory has elevated him. Ortiz can't still get better from fight-to-fight. Mayweather isn't getting better at this age, and his physical ability is, according to science, deteriorating.
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QUOTE (Eighty88Eight @ Aug 25 2011, 01:51 AM) *
Well it was a good victory. Arguably a better win than any of Mayweather's wins at welterweight. As some have said, those 7 pounds seem to have helped Ortiz a good deal, and when he got hit with big shots, he didn't get frustrated like he did against Maidana. People can change, people's mentalities can change, people can grow stronger, especially when they're young. I wouldn't place too much stock in Ortiz's pre-Berto fights. The victory has elevated him. Ortiz can't still get better from fight-to-fight. Mayweather isn't getting better at this age, and his physical ability is, according to science, deteriorating.



Actually I think Floyd's win over Mosley, old as he was, was a better win than Victor's UD over Berto. Face it dude Berto is rubbish.

How can I not place stock in Ortiz's fights pre-Berto. That is is whole career bar one fight. Please please please tell me that you are not claiming that his nip and tuck win over a B- level champion in Andre Berto has taken Victor to some new heights?

Yeah it is an improvement on quitting against Maidana but in no way readies him for the challenge that is Floyd Mayweather. This is a tune-up stay busy fight for Floyd, which is no bad thing, and has the added benefit of there being a strap involved, but can we at least call a spade a spade here?
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post Aug 25 2011, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE (The Ollie Reed Fan Club @ Aug 24 2011, 05:29 PM) *
Actually I think Floyd's win over Mosley, old as he was, was a better win than Victor's UD over Berto. Face it dude Berto is rubbish.

How can I not place stock in Ortiz's fights pre-Berto. That is is whole career bar one fight. Please please please tell me that you are not claiming that his nip and tuck win over a B- level champion in Andre Berto has taken Victor to some new heights?

Yeah it is an improvement on quitting against Maidana but in no way readies him for the challenge that is Floyd Mayweather. This is a tune-up stay busy fight for Floyd, which is no bad thing, and has the added benefit of there being a strap involved, but can we at least call a spade a spade here?


Well, I'd argue otherwise. Mosley was washed up, and still managed to briefly relieve Floyd from his senses. Berto is a tough customer for any welterweight given his speed and power, and it showed a lot of courage and willpower to walkthrough Berto the way Ortiz did. Ortiz is going to be better than he's ever been on Sept 19, Floyd won't be.

Mayweather beat a washed up Mosley after a long ass layoff... that ain't nothing big, and that was Mayweather BEST win at welterweight. I have no doubt Mayweather will likely stretch Ortiz by the 12th round, and I have less doubt that he's going to win, but it's not an easy fight. Mayweather is great but he's not invincible. Ortiz is tough for anyone if he fights fearlessly.
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- - The Ollie Reed Fan Club   I think Victor will have a chance to go away and w...   Aug 22 2011, 09:33 PM
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