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[Cshel86]

Being "undefeated" nowadays is no longer an effective promotional device (in my opinion). There is only one flashy undefeated guy out there, and we know who he is. He effectively used it for promotional purposes, but this is the LAST time, and I repeat, the LAST time I want to hear a fighter bragging about being undefeated, especially if:
1. You dont have enough personality to save your life or keep me awake while watching your interviews (or lack there of)
2. You cant put asses in seats (other than your family members, training team, and entourage)
3. Your ring appeal is sub-par or I know for a fact that I will have to be drunk in order to sit through one of your fights
4. You feel that the world owes you something because you're undefeated

When I hear about a young "undefeated" prospect, I find it hard to hold down breakfast, lunch, and dinner. The only undefeated fighters that I care about are the ones who dont care about losing their '0'.

Thoughts?

This post has been edited by cshel86: Aug 31 2011, 09:48 AM

[daprofessor]

let's be honest....tv doesn't care about fighters without the '0' lose the '0' and watch ur money get cut in half. it may not mean much to average fans...but for the guys training hard everyday...dedicating themselves to their craft....all the sacrifices and discipline...that '0' means the world. all the best have lost their '0' at some point...but NOT losing it is what pushed them to the highest heights.

sugar ray robinson was undefeated in the amateurs and had about 70 fights before his first loss to jake lamotta.

roberto duran had about 42 fights before he lost his '0' he went on to win approximately 30 something more before he lost to leonard in their rematch.

the list of fighters who have made it to 40 wins with no losses is a very short one.

[Cshel86]

let's be honest....tv doesn't care about fighters without the '0' lose the '0' and watch ur money get cut in half. it may not mean much to average fans...but for the guys training hard everyday...dedicating themselves to their craft....all the sacrifices and discipline...that '0' means the world. all the best have lost their '0' at some point...but NOT losing it is what pushed them to the highest heights.

sugar ray robinson was undefeated in the amateurs and had about 70 fights before his first loss to jake lamotta.

roberto duran had about 42 fights before he lost his '0' he went on to win approximately 30 something more before he lost to leonard in their rematch.

the list of fighters who have made it to 40 wins with no losses is a very short one.

You have mentioned GREAT fighters that were undefeated at that time prior to their loss. We have been blessed with the undefeated fighters who THINK they are the greatest ever. You should carry yourself in this manner at all times, but to not even live up to the reputation of being the best is simply unacceptable. Sure that '0' motivates a fighter to train hard, but if they continue to duck the best in exchange for fighting tomato cans to keep that '0'...then their confidence and security will always be questioned.

[daprofessor]

You have mentioned GREAT fighters that were undefeated at that time prior to their loss. We have been blessed with the undefeated fighters who THINK they are the greatest ever. You should carry yourself in this manner at all times, but to not even live up to the reputation of being the best is simply unacceptable. Sure that '0' motivates a fighter to train hard, but if they continue to duck the best in exchange for fighting tomato cans to keep that '0'...then their confidence and security will always be questioned.

boxing is a business. sometimes fights do not materialize...for what ever reason, but i don't know that i can hold a fighter responsible for that every single time. sometimes promoters and managers won't allow their fighters to fight other tough/slick fighters...(*see bob arum) other times there just isn't any competition available (*see klitschkos or marciano) so all we have to go off is their accomplishments and how they performed against known fighters. it's great when all the planets align...and we get the big fights, but i won't lose any sleep over a guy claiming to be the best if i don't believe he is the best.

[Cshel86]

boxing is a business. sometimes fights do not materialize...for what ever reason, but i don't know that i can hold a fighter responsible for that every single time. sometimes promoters and managers won't allow their fighters to fight other tough/slick fighters...(*see bob arum) other times there just isn't any competition available (*see klitschkos or marciano) so all we have to go off is their accomplishments and how they performed against known fighters. it's great when all the planets align...and we get the big fights, but i won't lose any sleep over a guy claiming to be the best if i don't believe he is the best.

Yeah I understand that portion of it...guess Im just through with new fighters attempting to use their "undefeated" record as a freakin' gate key to Utopia, when that method has been drilled into our heads by none other than you know who...

This post has been edited by cshel86: Aug 31 2011, 04:04 PM