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Cshel86
post Aug 31 2011, 09:47 AM
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Being "undefeated" nowadays is no longer an effective promotional device (in my opinion). There is only one flashy undefeated guy out there, and we know who he is. He effectively used it for promotional purposes, but this is the LAST time, and I repeat, the LAST time I want to hear a fighter bragging about being undefeated, especially if:
1. You dont have enough personality to save your life or keep me awake while watching your interviews (or lack there of)
2. You cant put asses in seats (other than your family members, training team, and entourage)
3. Your ring appeal is sub-par or I know for a fact that I will have to be drunk in order to sit through one of your fights
4. You feel that the world owes you something because you're undefeated

When I hear about a young "undefeated" prospect, I find it hard to hold down breakfast, lunch, and dinner. The only undefeated fighters that I care about are the ones who dont care about losing their '0'.

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post Aug 31 2011, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Sep 1 2011, 07:29 AM) *
dlh, floyd and pac all have one thing in common......bob arum.

dlh's career was carefully planned just like pac's and floyds. no one gets to the top without careful planning.


DLH took many more risks in the ring, that shouldn't be up for debate.
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post Aug 31 2011, 05:07 PM
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QUOTE (Fitz @ Aug 31 2011, 05:58 PM) *
DLH took many more risks in the ring, that shouldn't be up for debate.


running from trinidad in the closing round is a good example of the kind of risk he took.

his whole career with arum was all about favorable match ups. i like the guy...and he won when he was supposed to for the most part, but how many times was he not favored to win?
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post Aug 31 2011, 05:23 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Aug 31 2011, 06:07 PM) *
running from trinidad in the closing round is a good example of the kind of risk he took.

his whole career with arum was all about favorable match ups. i like the guy...and he won when he was supposed to for the most part, but how many times was he not favored to win?


Berto vs Hernandez is a favorable match up, DLH vs Whitaker is a tough fight. there will always be a favorite in a fight or game but there are upsets too. his career after Top Rank has been much better than Mayweather or Pac's career as a top earner.

QUOTE (daprofessor @ Aug 31 2011, 06:05 PM) *
neither guy would be in the position they're in without top rank or their great matchmakers.


so are you saying Mayweather is just a product of careful matchmaking?
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post Aug 31 2011, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE (gravytrain @ Aug 31 2011, 06:23 PM) *
Berto vs Hernandez is a favorable match up, DLH vs Whitaker is a tough fight. there will always be a favorite in a fight or game but there are upsets too. his career after Top Rank has been much better than Mayweather or Pac's career as a top earner.



so are you saying Mayweather is just a product of careful matchmaking?


berto/hernandez = dlh/charpentier

absolutely. any fighter that gets to the top is a product of careful matchmaking. these things don't happen by accident.

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