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[Cshel86]

Being "undefeated" nowadays is no longer an effective promotional device (in my opinion). There is only one flashy undefeated guy out there, and we know who he is. He effectively used it for promotional purposes, but this is the LAST time, and I repeat, the LAST time I want to hear a fighter bragging about being undefeated, especially if:
1. You dont have enough personality to save your life or keep me awake while watching your interviews (or lack there of)
2. You cant put asses in seats (other than your family members, training team, and entourage)
3. Your ring appeal is sub-par or I know for a fact that I will have to be drunk in order to sit through one of your fights
4. You feel that the world owes you something because you're undefeated

When I hear about a young "undefeated" prospect, I find it hard to hold down breakfast, lunch, and dinner. The only undefeated fighters that I care about are the ones who dont care about losing their '0'.

Thoughts?

This post has been edited by cshel86: Aug 31 2011, 09:48 AM

[Guest_Fitz_*]

dlh, floyd and pac all have one thing in common......bob arum.

dlh's career was carefully planned just like pac's and floyds. no one gets to the top without careful planning.

DLH took many more risks in the ring, that shouldn't be up for debate.

[daprofessor]

DLH took many more risks in the ring, that shouldn't be up for debate.

running from trinidad in the closing round is a good example of the kind of risk he took.

his whole career with arum was all about favorable match ups. i like the guy...and he won when he was supposed to for the most part, but how many times was he not favored to win?

[gravytrain]

running from trinidad in the closing round is a good example of the kind of risk he took.

his whole career with arum was all about favorable match ups. i like the guy...and he won when he was supposed to for the most part, but how many times was he not favored to win?

Berto vs Hernandez is a favorable match up, DLH vs Whitaker is a tough fight. there will always be a favorite in a fight or game but there are upsets too. his career after Top Rank has been much better than Mayweather or Pac's career as a top earner.

neither guy would be in the position they're in without top rank or their great matchmakers.

so are you saying Mayweather is just a product of careful matchmaking?

[daprofessor]

Berto vs Hernandez is a favorable match up, DLH vs Whitaker is a tough fight. there will always be a favorite in a fight or game but there are upsets too. his career after Top Rank has been much better than Mayweather or Pac's career as a top earner.



so are you saying Mayweather is just a product of careful matchmaking?

berto/hernandez = dlh/charpentier

absolutely. any fighter that gets to the top is a product of careful matchmaking. these things don't happen by accident.

This post has been edited by daprofessor: Aug 31 2011, 05:32 PM

[gravytrain]

berto/hernandez = dlh/charpentier

absolutely. any fighter that gets to the top is a product of careful matchmaking. these things don't happen by accident.

Berto's career = DLH/Charpentier

if you don't think any of them have had tough fights i've my doubts as to if you actually follow boxing or not. i don't think they'd JCC or Whitaker like opponents but Mayweather and Pac did have some nice fights below 140. DLH just continued it up through the classes and his career. and he's the last PPV star to do it. what i really don't see is how Arum is solely responsible for careful matchmaking in boxing when GBP/Mayweather have done the same or worse.

[daprofessor]

Berto's career = DLH/Charpentier

if you don't think any of them have had tough fights i've my doubts as to if you actually follow boxing or not. i don't think they'd JCC or Whitaker like opponents but Mayweather and Pac did have some nice fights below 140. DLH just continued it up through the classes and his career. and he's the last PPV star to do it. what i really don't see is how Arum is solely responsible for careful matchmaking in boxing when GBP/Mayweather have done the same or worse.

i never said they didn't have tough fights. there's no such thing as an easy fight imo.

gbp/mayweather were built by arum and his matchmakers. they would not be where they are without them. neither gbp nor mayweather has built anyone (as promoters) close to the level of success that they both had with arum. if u can't understand this...i can't make u.

jcc was past his best when oscar fought him. i thought whitaker beat him. berto isn't on the level of dlh, pac or mayweather. ppv is bad for boxing...so being a ppv star really means absolutely nothing to me. but since u brought it up....berto isn't a ppv star, so he shouldn't be held to the same standard as dlh or floyd. someone in this thread said haymon's fighters are boring....but i'll just point out that berto/ortiz is fight of the year so far in my book. and let's not forget williams/martinez 1 was a candidate for fight of the year. williams/martinez 2 was ko of the year. arreolla, another haymon fighter, has been in some pretty exciting scraps himself.

[gravytrain]

i never said they didn't have tough fights. there's no such thing as an easy fight imo.

gbp/mayweather were built by arum and his matchmakers. they would not be where they are without them. neither gbp nor mayweather has built anyone (as promoters) close to the level of success that they both had with arum. if u can't understand this...i can't make u.

jcc was past his best when oscar fought him. i thought whitaker beat him. berto isn't on the level of dlh, pac or mayweather. ppv is bad for boxing...so being a ppv star really means absolutely nothing to me. but since u brought it up....berto isn't a ppv star, so he shouldn't be held to the same standard as dlh or floyd. someone in this thread said haymon's fighters are boring....but i'll just point out that berto/ortiz is fight of the year so far in my book. and let's not forget williams/martinez 1 was a candidate for fight of the year. williams/martinez 2 was ko of the year. arreolla, another haymon fighter, has been in some pretty exciting scraps himself.

how did Arum build DLH? he could have been a star with anyone. Arum probably just gave him a duffel bag with more money than what King wanted to offer him. it's not like he didn't come into boxing an Olympic gold medalist and being one of the most marketable fighters of the last 30 years. DLH was more successful with his own company too, he got more PPV buys and more PPV revenue. he'd less PPVs on his own too.

i brought up Berto to show safe matchmaking. DLH has bigger names than Pac and Mayweather on his resume and that's throughout his career. the whole point is that Mayweather and Pac take easier fights than other PPV fighters and DLH was the last one to consistently take on the top opposition. there's a big difference between winning fights and being a product of careful matchmaking too.