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Jhill47
post Sep 22 2011, 02:59 PM
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What is the criteria to be considered a real boxing fan as opposed to being a Pactard or Flomo. It seems if u mention either one of these guys u automatically get labeled. I am a Floyd Mayweather but I consider myself a real boxing fan b/c Floyd isn't the only fighter i watch. He's my favorite right now but by no means does that mean once his done fighting all stop watching boxing. I don't consider myself a boxing historian b/c I have recently be come a die hard over the last 5 or 6 years but I was always a casual fan. Is a real boxing fan supposed to be able to recall facts from the past or just have a good understanding of boxing and follow the sport. I wanna know what u guys think. Intelligent responses please
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post Sep 22 2011, 04:03 PM
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Look, it's simple.

If you're prepared to call your fighter on some bullshit, then you're not a Flomo or Pactard.


Case in point. Shane Mosley used to be my favourite fighter. He reminded me of Ray Robinson, in style, and I wanted him to be the real ATG of his era.


Then he turned in two bullshit performances against Forrest (I was prepared to forgive the first one if he turned it around in the rematch, Robinson style).

After that, I couldn't understand how he was gifted a DLH rematch, when he didn't deserve it, and he even got the dodgy decision, which he didn't deserve.


NOW...if I'd been the Shane Mosley equivalent of a Flomo, I'd have swore blind he was butted in the first Forrest fight, deserved the verdict in the rematch, and kicked DLH's ass, even though deep down in my subconscious I didn't believe it. I DIDN'T, BECAUSE I'M NOT A SHANE FAN, I'M A BOXING FAN. I'll call bullshit on my favourite fighters if I think it's bullshit they're mixing up.


Now all of the guys who say "I'm a boxing fan first, Floyd/Pac fan second" just don't have the powers to be neutral. They will swear blind that everything Floyd and Pac do is justified. If you have excused Floyd for every bullshit career decision he's made, then, YES, you are a Flomo. If you blindly defend Pacquiao taking on Floyd's leftovers, then YES, you are Pactard.



Simples.




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post Sep 22 2011, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE (blackbelt2003 @ Sep 22 2011, 04:03 PM) *
Look, it's simple.

If you're prepared to call your fighter on some bullshit, then you're not a Flomo or Pactard.


Case in point. Shane Mosley used to be my favorite fighter. He reminded me of Ray Robinson, in style, and I wanted him to be the real ATG of his era.


Then he turned in two bullshit performances against Forrest (I was prepared to forgive the first one if he turned it around in the rematch, Robinson style).

After that, I couldn't understand how he was gifted a DLH rematch, when he didn't deserve it, and he even got the dodgy decision, which he didn't deserve.


NOW...if I'd been the Shane Mosley equivalent of a Flomo, I'd have swore blind he was butted in the first Forrest fight, deserved the verdict in the rematch, and kicked DLH's ass, even though deep down in my subconscious I didn't believe it. I DIDN'T, BECAUSE I'M NOT A SHANE FAN, I'M A BOXING FAN. I'll call bullshit on my favorite fighters if I think it's bullshit they're mixing up.


Now all of the guys who say "I'm a boxing fan first, Floyd/Pac fan second" just don't have the powers to be neutral. They will swear blind that everything Floyd and Pac do is justified. If you have excused Floyd for every bullshit career decision he's made, then, YES, you are a Flomo. If you blindly defend Pacquiao taking on Floyd's leftovers, then YES, you are Pactard.



Simples.




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Great post Black!

Black just added more good points to what I said above. If you are totally obsessed with any fighter, it is very hard, if not impossible to be objective with what they say or do.

Another distinction is that fight historians, who are sadly fading away due to age or death, they often seemed to be a little more objective and professional in their writing than some people in a message board conversation. However, that's a moot issues as well, because there was no Internet technology during boxing's heyday years, that I often refer to as the 50's to the 80's. So we don't know how the best boxing writers and historians would have used Internet technology to express views of the fighters.

The information today and responses is so much faster and reaches millions of people much quicker. I think negative opinions and name-calling against fighters is more prevalent today than in the past. Old school traditionalists probably wrote with more intellect and sophistication than today's writers. Today's boxing writers can't hold a candle to past generations. However, that's nobody's fault. It's just changing and reacting to changing worlds, and changing times.

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- Jhill47   Real boxing fans vs Pactards and Flomos   Sep 22 2011, 02:59 PM
- - Crafty   I agree, I'm asian and I almost don't want...   Sep 22 2011, 03:10 PM
- - EAlbian   QUOTE (Jhill47 @ Sep 22 2011, 02:59 PM) W...   Sep 22 2011, 03:13 PM
- - Jack 1000   There's different levels of distinction I thin...   Sep 22 2011, 03:19 PM
|- - EAlbian   QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Sep 22 2011, 03:19 PM)...   Sep 22 2011, 03:45 PM
- - Hittman25   What do u call me if I like Marcos Maidana alot? I...   Sep 22 2011, 03:52 PM
- - blackbelt2003   Look, it's simple. If you're prepared to ...   Sep 22 2011, 04:03 PM
|- - Jack 1000   QUOTE (blackbelt2003 @ Sep 22 2011, 04:03...   Sep 22 2011, 04:21 PM
- - The Ollie Reed Fan Club   Look as long as you are a boxing fan first and a F...   Sep 22 2011, 05:06 PM
- - cshel86   Jack and Black are absolutely right! I like bo...   Sep 22 2011, 05:36 PM
|- - Jack 1000   QUOTE (cshel86 @ Sep 22 2011, 05:36 PM) J...   Sep 22 2011, 08:14 PM
- - HazConvictedFelonMane   I love boxing period. My uncle is a judge, my cous...   Sep 22 2011, 09:02 PM
|- - lloyd mayflower   QUOTE (HazConvictedFelonMane @ Sep 23 2011, 0...   Sep 22 2011, 09:09 PM
|- - The Ollie Reed Fan Club   QUOTE (lloyd mayflower @ Sep 23 2011, 02...   Sep 22 2011, 09:12 PM
|- - HazConvictedFelonMane   QUOTE (lloyd mayflower @ Sep 22 2011, 10...   Sep 23 2011, 07:19 AM
|- - lloyd mayflower   QUOTE (HazConvictedFelonMane @ Sep 23 2011, 1...   Sep 23 2011, 07:29 AM
- - cshel86   QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Sep 22 2011, 09:14 PM)...   Sep 22 2011, 10:02 PM
- - BoxingEinstein   I honestly think Pactards and Flomos or Mosley...   Sep 23 2011, 12:40 AM
- - cshel86   Be careful Lloyd, I heard those internet warriors ...   Sep 23 2011, 09:22 AM
- - CrazyBuffalO   As I pointed out before in another thread, there s...   Sep 23 2011, 11:37 AM
- - cshel86   QUOTE (CrazyBuffalO @ Sep 23 2011, 12:37 ...   Sep 23 2011, 12:49 PM


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