[Allmenjoi8]

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Shining example of a nuthugger (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes_anim.gif)



Why should they fight again because you missed it? At this point, Pavlik cant even make Middleweight and be effective.



Whats aint wrong with Kirkland? Well, I can give him some type of credit...he's not all that bad.



Canelo and Sergio would be a big fight on its own...no need to put it on a big card like that and not make as much money as they could make if it were an individual event. Besides, that would have to be a big budget, and Im sure Canelo and Sergio wont be able to fit in that budget because of their market value...especially Canelo's. Yes, Martinez is with Lou DiBella.



...but it was the absolute truth. Again, if you would stop confronting me and others about an issue that you've clearly not mastered (staying on topic), then you just might be alright...

The problem with Sergio like so many people have pointed is that he is not that known, Canelo on the other hand is very popular. If Canelo will be bringing more fans to he fight it would be the same thing as Floyd fighting Sergio. It would only bolster Sergio's fame if he did fight on a big card especially a Mayweather card. The winner would be next in line for Mayweather. Guerrero feels that somehow he deserves the next match up with May and to be honest I am just now hearing of him. I think I saw him fight but I was not blow away, he is a good fighter but nothing that makes me think he is the next big Mexican boxing star., clearly Chavez Jr has the honor.

The point is Mr. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/offtopic.gif) is that Sergio and Canelo would benefit from being on an under card with Floyd. It would help further each man's popularity. If May does fight Cotto three different Spanish cultures would be represented: Mexican, Puerto Rican, and Argentinian. Everyone wins!!! Mayweather v.s Cotto and Canelo vs. Seregio and for the under under card Broner vs. Dargan! Now that is a card.

[Cshel86]

The problem with Sergio like so many people have pointed is that he is not that known, Canelo on the other hand is very popular. If Canelo will be bringing more fans to he fight it would be the same thing as Floyd fighting Sergio. It would only bolster Sergio's fame if he did fight on a big card especially a Mayweather card. The winner would be next in line for Mayweather. Guerrero feels that somehow he deserves the next match up with May and to be honest I am just now hearing of him. I think I saw him fight but I was not blow away, he is a good fighter but nothing that makes me think he is the next big Mexican boxing star., clearly Chavez Jr has the honor.

The point is Mr. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/offtopic.gif) is that Sergio and Canelo would benefit from being on an under card with Floyd. It would help further each man's popularity. If May does fight Cotto three different Spanish cultures would be represented: Mexican, Puerto Rican, and Argentinian. Everyone wins!!! Mayweather v.s Cotto and Canelo vs. Seregio and for the under under card Broner vs. Dargan! Now that is a card.

How could they benefit from it, when they probably wont even fit in the budget? We all know Floyd has to get paid and so does Cotto, then the other fighters on the card have to. That's the main reason that Maidana didn't step in to rematch Erik Morales on the Star Power card. The budget was already set for Morale's initial opponent(s), which Im sure was less than Maidana was willing to accept.

Hell, he only made $250k to fight Morales (who made $500k) on a PPV main event the first time, so Im sure Morales's opponent(s) was going to make waaaay less than $250k at Star Power. Now, a split-venue would probably be more beneficial. Im sure Canelo and Gomez got paid separately from the Star Power card's budget, BUT dont completely quote me on that.

[Plah]

The problem with Sergio like so many people have pointed is that he is not that known, Canelo on the other hand is very popular. If Canelo will be bringing more fans to he fight it would be the same thing as Floyd fighting Sergio. It would only bolster Sergio's fame if he did fight on a big card especially a Mayweather card. The winner would be next in line for Mayweather. Guerrero feels that somehow he deserves the next match up with May and to be honest I am just now hearing of him. I think I saw him fight but I was not blow away, he is a good fighter but nothing that makes me think he is the next big Mexican boxing star., clearly Chavez Jr has the honor.

The point is Mr. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/offtopic.gif) is that Sergio and Canelo would benefit from being on an under card with Floyd. It would help further each man's popularity. If May does fight Cotto three different Spanish cultures would be represented: Mexican, Puerto Rican, and Argentinian. Everyone wins!!! Mayweather v.s Cotto and Canelo vs. Seregio and for the under under card Broner vs. Dargan! Now that is a card.

What???

[mgrover]

What???

am hoping its sarcasm...

[Allmenjoi8]

What???

That was being overly sarcastic. Without having that last name Chavez Jr. would be nothing.

am hoping its sarcasm...

Yes it was. I am glad you caught it.

[BrutalBodyShots]

Mayweather over Cotto 117-110 once and 118-109 twice. Yes that means Cotto gets knocked off his feet once, somewhere in the final third of the fight.

Cotto gets hit too much and takes a lot of damage in many of his fights. Regardless of his win this past weekend he took a lot of damage. He took a beating from Pacquiao as well, another beating from Margarito, and a good amount of damage from Mosley and Clottey amongst others. Mayweather's precision punching leaves all the other names above crying in the corner. After a few feel out rounds early (one or two of which Cotto may snag) Mayweather will adjust and sharp shoot Cotto for the remainder of the fight. In the last third of the fight after taking a ton of damage and getting lumped up and probably cut I could see Cotto going down from a sharp Mayweather lead left hook or similar punch Cotto isn't prepared for. Cotto gives away almost all of the late rounds as he's tired and damaged and Mayweather is fresh. I think Cotto goes the distance, but loses in wide fashion just like essentially all of Mayweather's opponents do.

[bnoles4life]

The point is Mr. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/offtopic.gif) is that Sergio and Canelo would benefit from being on an under card with Floyd. It would help further each man's popularity. If May does fight Cotto three different Spanish cultures would be represented: Mexican, Puerto Rican, and Argentinian. Everyone wins!!! Mayweather v.s Cotto and Canelo vs. Seregio and for the under under card Broner vs. Dargan! Now that is a card.

No where NEAR enough money (left) on the table for Canelo and Sergio, once Floyd gets his off the top. It's not called the "lion's share" because it's a Jenny Craig-like proportion.

I agree, awesome card, but if I'm Canelo and Sergio, I'm not fighting on the undercard of a guy that I "think" I can beat (not to mention, I'm a champ).

[Allmenjoi8]

No where NEAR enough money (left) on the table for Canelo and Sergio, once Floyd gets his off the top. It's not called the "lion's share" because it's a Jenny Craig-like proportion.

I agree, awesome card, but if I'm Canelo and Sergio, I'm not fighting on the undercard of a guy that I "think" I can beat (not to mention, I'm a champ).

How many PPV numbers could Sergio and Canelo can do if they fought? Over million or million flat. I am telling you now I am not or would not pay 50 bucks on that fight. If they can each get 5 million a piece plus 5% of the gate and PPV then I think it can work. I am sure May would be willing to listen. This is my wishful thinking.

This post has been edited by Allmenjoi8: Dec 6 2011, 07:29 PM

[streetlion1]

you thought that was a sucker punch?

Thats why I said "borderline" sucker punch...technically it wasnt but since one of the suckiest refs in the sport Joe Cortez did a terrible job of getting the action started again I thought it was mostly on hime but the 2 piece Floyd landed was little bit bullshit.

That being said so was the headbutt that Ortiz gave him so I guess one deserves the other.

To get back to the Cotto-Mayweather thing...People are saying Cotto gets hit too much...maybe...they are saying he tires late...maybe....but that is against pressure fighters! Mayweather isnt a pressure fighter...he is a marksman...the best defender/counter-puncher in the sport....I dont see Cotto breaking down against him...seems to me Cotto is getting disrespected on this thread. I know Mayweather is the best but that being said he hasnt fought ANYONE as well rounded as Cotto is since hitting welterweight.

How can people think Pacquiao would give Floyd a good fight but Cotto wont?? I see Floyd beating Pacquiao way easier because styles make fights....Pacquiao is one dimensional Cotto is not....Pacquiao doesnt have a jab and only really has a left hand...Cotto can hit hard with both hands and has a good jab....Cotto can also go to the body better....and I dont wanna hear about Pacquiao beat Cotto because styles make fights.

Mayweather beats Cotto but I just cant see any scenario where he totally dominates him....Now true Cotto is my favorite fighter but even if he wasnt stylistically I would still say he gives Mayweather a tough fight.

[Allmenjoi8]

Thats why I said "borderline" sucker punch...technically it wasnt but since one of the suckiest refs in the sport Joe Cortez did a terrible job of getting the action started again I thought it was mostly on hime but the 2 piece Floyd landed was little bit bullshit.

That being said so was the headbutt that Ortiz gave him so I guess one deserves the other.

To get back to the Cotto-Mayweather thing...People are saying Cotto gets hit too much...maybe...they are saying he tires late...maybe....but that is against pressure fighters! Mayweather isnt a pressure fighter...he is a marksman...the best defender/counter-puncher in the sport....I dont see Cotto breaking down against him...seems to me Cotto is getting disrespected on this thread. I know Mayweather is the best but that being said he hasnt fought ANYONE as well rounded as Cotto is since hitting welterweight.

How can people think Pacquiao would give Floyd a good fight but Cotto wont?? I see Floyd beating Pacquiao way easier because styles make fights....Pacquiao is one dimensional Cotto is not....Pacquiao doesnt have a jab and only really has a left hand...Cotto can hit hard with both hands and has a good jab....Cotto can also go to the body better....and I dont wanna hear about Pacquiao beat Cotto because styles make fights.

Mayweather beats Cotto but I just cant see any scenario where he totally dominates him....Now true Cotto is my favorite fighter but even if he wasnt stylistically I would still say he gives Mayweather a tough fight.

As far as the "sucker" punch, I say an eye for an eye. Ortiz knew full and darn well what he did was dead WRONG. I thought May would task him the rest of the fight. Cortez needs to retire because I am still salty of how he ref the Hatton and May fight. Anyway, I think the punches were justified. May saw an opening and put that cat to bed plus Ortiz could of gotten up.

I said from the start of this thread I thought Cotto could give May issues, his height and reach plus he has good boxing skills. I think this fight would look something like Diego Corrales that is, if Diego actually would of fougth that night. I think would win either 7-5 or 8-4