[Cshel86]

That is plain crazy to think Cotto would get dominated like Corrales did....Corrales (R.I.P) didnt do a damn thing...Cotto gives Floyd a waaaaaaaaay better fight than that....like I said Cotto would be the most well rounded fighter Floyd has fought.

Sigh...I would just leave this one alone Street. First she had it 7-5 (which is likely), and now it suddenly changed to 9-3 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dntknw.gif) It's exhausting and pointless to even try to make a valid point when debating with a Floyd nuthu...well...you know the rest (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

As far as the Corrales fight, Im not sure which way to lean towards. I though it may have had something to do with the weight issue (not sure Chico could drop to 130 comfortably at the time, the fact that Floyd was quick as a rattlesnake, the pending domestic assault case against him...or a combination of all 3?

[Allmenjoi8]

Sigh...I would just leave this one alone Street. First she had it 7-5 (which is likely), and now it suddenly changed to 9-3 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dntknw.gif) It's exhausting and pointless to even try to make a valid point when debating with a Floyd nuthu...well...you know the rest (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

As far as the Corrales fight, Im not sure which way to lean towards. I though it may have had something to do with the weight issue (not sure Chico could drop to 130 comfortably at the time, the fact that Floyd was quick as a rattlesnake, the pending domestic assault case against him...or a combination of all 3?

Let me justify my 9-3 score and after looking at some of Cotto'sold fights is why I swithced to 9-3, now 7-5 would probably be more accurate. Cotto has been in MANY wars and the wear and tear on his body I just see it like this

Watching Cotto's old fights I notice two things: 1. his defense is just okay, he leaves that head wide open which is ano against any good accurate puncher 2. He tends to tire. So I see this match like Corrales, he will put up a good fight the first three heck 4 rounds and then it is all down hill. What I will say is Cotto has heart and he will not quit but I do not see Cotto in the mid and late rounds Floyd too many fits. I am not a nuthugger. Floyd is one of my favorite fighters but there are others on the list.

This post has been edited by Allmenjoi8: Dec 7 2011, 10:56 AM

[Allmenjoi8]

I said you make it "seem" as if he wouldn't break a sweat. Hell no I wouldn't bet against the 90's Bulls, but let's stay on topic and recognize that this is BOXING...where ONE PUNCH can change the trajectory of a fight, no matter how good you are. Basketball is a team effort...boxing is a team effort as well...all the way up until the opening bell, then one man is on his own for 90 seconds at a time for however long the fight lasts.

Put that Jack Daniels down!!! I am saying the Bulls was a dominate team, Floyd has been dominating boxing, so why bet against the current? I am not comparing a team sport to boxing, my point was no one was messing with the Bulls of the 90s, no one. Floyd is my Bulls of the 90s. Plus you said one punch could change a fight? When has Floyd even felt the canvas? You can go back to when he was an armature if you need to. I do not see Cotto knocking Floyd or anyone out. He is worn torn, the kid has heart and determination but give me a break. I know Floyd in the first few rounds would have to adjust to Cotto's size and reach but he would figure it out.

[Cshel86]

I know Floyd in the first few rounds would have to adjust to Cotto's size and reach but he would figure it out.

Sigh...why do I even bother? Your statement above is a clear indicator that I probably SHOULD be drinking some Jack right now, but there's no need to sacrifice my employment to numb my inflated sense of impatience for your "wittiness", again. I guess it would take Floyd some time to adjust to a guy who's the same height, but has a whopping 23.5 inch reach against his (Floyd's) 26 inch reach. Go figure.

How do you expect me to take your post seriously, when you didn't even get that part right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes_anim.gif) Again, basketball is a team sport, boxing isn't. I know that you used it for support your point, in regards to their dominance. If MJ gets hurt, you pick somebody off the bench. If Pippen gets hurt...same deal. If Floyd gets hurt during the fight and cant adjust...there goes the neighborhood...no bench for him. He's a dominant fighter, but dominant alone.

The Bulls were dominant, together, hands down. Team Mayweather has chemistry and would be considered dominant, but Floyd alone, has to fight the fight. One punch could change that dominance in a fight. Go figure.

As for you requesting that I "go back and look" at Floyd's amateur career...that all became null and void when you didn't even know that Cotto had a arm length disadvantage against Floyd. So who needs to "go back and look" at something?...the prognosis seems clear to me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dntknw.gif) Oh yeah, Corrales didn't and couldn't do much against Mayweather...though you said he put up a fight for the first 3-4 rounds (in which he lost clearly). As a matter of fact, did he win any rounds? Im sure that Im asking the wrong person.

At this point, you can just leave Corrales out of your argument from here on out, really (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ok.gif) How can you say that you cant see Cotto knocking anyone out, when he won his last 3 fights by TKO? Really? Oh wait, I will bet my ass that you probably didn't even watch his last 3 fights, even last weekend. I remember you barging in on the Cotto/Margarito thread and admitting that you didn't even watch the fight, so you decided to spew out some men vs women BS instead...again, quite witty of you. Hell, the last 2 of them were PPVs (in which you only order when FMJ fights), and the other one was on HBO against Yuri Foreman, and you would have had to been somewhat of hardcore boxing fan to even spark enough interest to tune in. Have fun doing your research though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dance.gif)

[Allmenjoi8]

Sigh...why do I even bother? Your statement above is a clear indicator that I probably SHOULD be drinking some Jack right now, but there's no need to sacrifice my employment to numb my inflated sense of impatience for your "wittiness", again. I guess it would take Floyd some time to adjust to a guy who's the same height, but has a [b]whopping 23.5 inch reach against his (Floyd's) 26 inch reach. Go figure. [/b]How do you expect me to take your post seriously, when you didn't even get that part right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes_anim.gif) Again, basketball is a team sport, boxing isn't. I know that you used it for support your point, in regards to their dominance. If MJ gets hurt, you pick somebody off the bench. If Pippen gets hurt...same deal. If Floyd gets hurt during the fight and cant adjust...there goes the neighborhood...no bench for him. He's a dominant fighter, but dominant alone.

The Bulls were dominant, together, hands down. Team Mayweather has chemistry and would be considered dominant, but Floyd alone, has to fight the fight. One punch could change that dominance in a fight. Go figure.

As for you requesting that I "go back and look" at Floyd's amateur career...that all became null and void when you didn't even know that Cotto had a arm length disadvantage against Floyd. So who needs to "go back and look" at something?...the prognosis seems clear to me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dntknw.gif) Oh yeah, Corrales didn't and couldn't do much against Mayweather...though you said he put up a fight for the first 3-4 rounds (in which he lost clearly). As a matter of fact, did he win any rounds? Im sure that Im asking the wrong person.

At this point, you can just leave Corrales out of your argument from here on out, really (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ok.gif) How can you say that you cant see Cotto knocking anyone out, when he won his last 3 fights by TKO? Really? Oh wait, I will bet my ass that you probably didn't even watch his last 3 fights, even last weekend. I remember you barging in on the Cotto/Margarito thread and admitting that you didn't even watch the fight, so you decided to spew out some men vs women BS instead...again, quite witty of you. Hell, the last 2 of them were PPVs (in which you only order when FMJ fights), and the other one was on HBO against Yuri Foreman, and you would have had to been somewhat of hardcore boxing fan to even spark enough interest to tune in. Have fun doing your research though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dance.gif)

His reach is shorter I never said it wasn't, and before you ask how can May fear a man with a shorter reach? Cotto will go in to get Floyd, and I believe that Cotto could touch May, I do. Cotto can touch May, I really believe that. Mayweather has a 72" reach and Cotto is 67/68" and they are both around 5'7" give or take. Mayweather tends do be a little more careful against guys taller or the same height. He was careful against Oscar, Shane (until he figured him out), but hawked Hatton and JMM. Cotto isn't knocking May out and I do not see him knocking anyone from here on out. That is just my opinion. I can be wrong but That is how I see it. No I did not watch the Margs fight. And I wasn't spewing men vs women debate. what i said is you can post comments about Cotto and Margs wife and be completely off topic and be fine with it but my Tyresee freaking joke gets pointed out. Back to boxing... Believe or not, I do not program my life around fights. Yuri Foreman I am not a fan of...
Corrales fight in the first rounds I would say 1-3 I felt maybe this would be a great fight but that was not the case. I just see Cotto being full on in the early rounds but then decline. He has taken too many beatings, Corrales on the other hands was breaking faces when he fought Floyd. I could be wrong, but this is how I feel.

This post has been edited by Allmenjoi8: Dec 7 2011, 12:39 PM

[Cshel86]

I know Floyd in the first few rounds would have to adjust to Cotto's size and reach but he would figure it out.

His reach is shorter I never said it wasn't

Sound familiar???

I believe that Cotto could touch May, I do. Cotto can touch May, I really believe that.

No you dont...are you in "damage control mode" now???

Cotto isn't knocking May out and I do not see him knocking anyone from here on out.

I dont believe many of us saw him winning his last 3 fights by TKO either. Well hell, at least two of those fights weren't really predicted to win by TKO. You're right, it is your opinion, but dont you like to go along with winners...let's say, the Chicago Bulls? Cotto won his last 3 by TKO, why rule out another TKO victory against anyone else? He may not be able to KO FMJ, but anyone else!? C'mon...

No I did not watch the Margs fight.

Wow really? I wonder what gave you away? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dntknw.gif)

And I wasn't spewing men vs women debate. what i said is you can post comments about Cotto and Margs wife and be completely off topic and be fine with it but my Tyresee freaking joke gets pointed out.

Hmmm...sounds like some men vs women stuff to me. Double standard maybe? Go figure.

Oh yeahhhh...this is when you cluelessly barged in with nonsense about something other than the fight. We have been off topic a bit, but hell, we watched the fight and posted the whole time. Then you barge in off topic and trying to check us about being off topic. Again, go figure.

I do not program my life around fights.

You should try it sometime. Hell, you've successfully took a shot in the dark with discussing this subject, so I wont question your ability to try new things.

Back to boxing...

No thank you...Im mentally exhausted and this has gone nowhere but down. It truthfully wasn't even a debate, simply because of the fact that I spent most of my time and your's, correcting and informing you.

Its a boring and rainy day, and I have a desk full of work in which I DONT feel like completing. Thanks for the company though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ok.gif)

[bnoles4life]

As far as the Corrales fight, Im not sure which way to lean towards. I though it may have had something to do with the weight issue (not sure Chico could drop to 130 comfortably at the time, the fact that Floyd was quick as a rattlesnake, the pending domestic assault case against him...or a combination of all 3?

Let me help you out w/ that one, Shely.....one can't objectively use "difficulty making weight", "weight-drained" or any other weight-affiliated reason for the @$$-taxing he received, when the fact remains Chico, fought 6 additional times at super featherweight, regaining two versions of the super FW title. If one is weight-drained or has difficulty making weight, it doesn't make sense to participate in 4 NON-title fights against fighters w/ a combined record of 77-29-3 due to "weight" issues. No No...you do that, to regain your fighter confidence.

As far as the domestic violence case he was catching, he had just KO'd Angel Manfredy 4 mths earlier, w/ that SAME case hanging over his head.

That Floyd fight had 100% to do w/ Chico was staring at a guy who was superior to him in every boxing category, save for power. In, my humble opinion, of course.

[Cshel86]

Let me help you out w/ that one, Shely.....one can't objectively use "difficulty making weight", "weight-drained" or any other weight-affiliated reason for the @$$-taxing he received, when the fact remains Chico, fought 6 additional times at super featherweight, regaining two versions of the super FW title. If one is weight-drained or has difficulty making weight, it doesn't make sense to participate in 4 NON-title fights against fighters w/ a combined record of 77-29-3 due to "weight" issues. No No...you do that, to regain your fighter confidence.

As far as the domestic violence case he was catching, he had just KO'd Angel Manfredy 4 mths earlier, w/ that SAME case hanging over his head.

That Floyd fight had 100% to do w/ Chico was staring at a guy who was superior to him in every boxing category, save for power. In, my humble opinion, of course.

Damn, I did ask Street about this earlier...totally forgot. I just remember him struggling at the weigh-in for the Mayweather fight and gaining those 15 or 16 pounds on the day of the fight. Ariza never seemed to be fond of Corrales's weight issues (or at least for that fight), more than likely this was because he lacked discipline to maintain a reasonable weight along with other factors between fights...just my first guess though.

I believed Corrales's team wanted that FMJ fight to be at lightweight, but shit, you just refreshed me on the fact that he fought that many more times at 130, AFTER the Mayweather fight...so you summed that up well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I remembered the domestic violence case, but I brought it up because the court date was almost up his ass, as far as the timing.

From what I remember, the court date was somewhere around 2-3 weeks away...not every fighter deals with those legal issues that well. Shit, he did catch some time for that charge (2 years, I believe), so maybe in his mind, he already knew he was going to jail. Obviously he knew he was guilty (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dntknw.gif)

[mgrover]

How can you say that you cant see Cotto knocking anyone out, when he won his last 3 fights by TKO? Really? Oh wait,

to be fair Cshel, the last three fighters have been damaged fighters, I mean margarito was obviously ruined by pac, foremans knee dicked up and thats why the fight was really stopped, although cotto was dominating and i havent seen the mayorga fight yet. but from what i remember mayorga is OLDDDD, they feel like tkos that shouldnt really of been. am in no way backing up allmenjo(whatever) because she really cant argue logically, but what ive presented is a logical arguement. in the whole cotto vs floyd, i think floyd wins simply because now cotto is too slow and old, before when he was more aggressive i would of given him more of a shot, but now he is shot. yes he just won, but a win doesnt make someone 10 years younger.

[Cshel86]

to be fair Cshel, the last three fighters have been damaged fighters, I mean margarito was obviously ruined by pac, foremans knee dicked up and thats why the fight was really stopped, although cotto was dominating and i havent seen the mayorga fight yet. but from what i remember mayorga is OLDDDD, they feel like tkos that shouldnt really of been. am in no way backing up allmenjo(whatever) because she really cant argue logically, but what ive presented is a logical arguement. in the whole cotto vs floyd, i think floyd wins simply because now cotto is too slow and old, before when he was more aggressive i would of given him more of a shot, but now he is shot. yes he just won, but a win doesnt make someone 10 years younger.

I can take that, I was just throwing fhe facts out there since Cotto isn't going to be able to knock anyone else out from now on. Your clear cut technical view of the KOs, is something that only us hardcore boxing fans will truly understand...according to the average or clueless fan out there...he still won by knockout, regardless of his opponent's status.

A win doesn't make someone 10 years younger!? I definitely cant argue with you on that one Grover. It may not make the fighter younger, but if its stellar performance against a worthy opponent...it even gives us hardcore fight fans a breath of fresh air and tempts us to give the fighter a clean slate (i.e. Mosley's huge win over Margarito before the Mayweather fight). Good post