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post Feb 24 2012, 09:38 PM
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i've said it once...i'll say it again....bhop has bitch in him. i am totally shocked that he took this rematch. he's getting his ass beat if he comes to fight.
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post Feb 25 2012, 09:48 AM
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people see the side of the coin were hopkins bullshitted an injury to get out of a "tough" fight, i see the otherside of dawson picking him up and dropping him, funny how in the interview hes quick to bring up his record of never been deducted a point this and blah blah blah, an innocent man never needs to explain he lets the video do the talking, but obviously the video isn't in his favour...
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post Feb 25 2012, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE (mgrover @ Feb 25 2012, 09:48 AM) *
people see the side of the coin were hopkins bullshitted an injury to get out of a "tough" fight, i see the otherside of dawson picking him up and dropping him, funny how in the interview hes quick to bring up his record of never been deducted a point this and blah blah blah, an innocent man never needs to explain he lets the video do the talking, but obviously the video isn't in his favour...


he did the right thing in my eyes. the ref wasn't going to help him...it's a tactic that he gets away with all the time. chad put an end to it and bhop went out like a little bitch. i can't see that changing in the next fight. dawson has bhops number. he may be the first person to stop him if bhop decides to man up. there's a reason he has used all these cheating tactics that everyone wants to label as gamesmanship or crafty veteran tricks...i call it cowardice and insecurity because if he was confident in his skills and abilities he wouldn't have to resort to that bullshit.
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post Feb 26 2012, 09:29 AM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 25 2012, 10:22 PM) *
he did the right thing in my eyes. the ref wasn't going to help him...it's a tactic that he gets away with all the time. chad put an end to it and bhop went out like a little bitch. i can't see that changing in the next fight. dawson has bhops number. he may be the first person to stop him if bhop decides to man up. there's a reason he has used all these cheating tactics that everyone wants to label as gamesmanship or crafty veteran tricks...i call it cowardice and insecurity because if he was confident in his skills and abilities he wouldn't have to resort to that bullshit.


no matter what anyone says to me, you cannot justify picking someone up and dropping them in a boxing match, you can bring in all the angles, all the cameras, but he picked him up and dropped him on his ass, plenty of other boxers have been in that position and they still managed to do fine, the veteran tricks, or cheating or whatever, everyone does from mayweather to hopkins (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Feb 26 2012, 01:21 PM
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I'll be at the rematch live in AC, scooped up tickets right when they went on sale noon Thurs. Anyone else going?
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post Feb 26 2012, 01:22 PM
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I love how people keep referencing their "last fight" when it was what, 4 minutes long? Like 4 minutes has anything to do with how a 36 minute fight would go.

Hopkins has looked like shit for 4 minutes against lots of his opponents and more often than not he ends up beating them.

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post Feb 26 2012, 02:59 PM
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QUOTE (BrutalBodyShots @ Feb 26 2012, 01:22 PM) *
I love how people keep referencing their "last fight" when it was what, 4 minutes long? Like 4 minutes has anything to do with how a 36 minute fight would go.

Hopkins has looked like shit for 4 minutes against lots of his opponents and more often than not he ends up beating them.


sure it was only 4 minutes...but what about all the years bhop acted like dawson didn't exist or wanted no parts of him? that has to count for something. bhop never wanted to fight him and he and his ppl have let that be known on several occasions.
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post Feb 26 2012, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 26 2012, 02:59 PM) *
what about all the years bhop acted like dawson didn't exist or wanted no parts of him? that has to count for something. bhop never wanted to fight him and he and his ppl have let that be known on several occasions.

For the record, he acted as if Dawson didn't existed, because monetarily, he didn't. Hopkins was staring down bigger fights, and Dawson wasn't even on the radar. Of course he would've been a big challenge for him, but for a guy fighting on father time with big name opponents in his division, can you blame him?

Dawson was too busy fighting old men, which didn't help his career at all. He was still green at the time, seriously. Imagine what little that would've done for Bernard's career back then, and compare it to the lousy numbers that their recent fight did. Besides, Hopkins had JUST broken a huge record in the sport, which gave his career another breath of fresh air, but still didn't help the numbers.

So it's safe to say that Bernard still needs big names to get paid, which Dawson still isn't (a big name). Funny how a guy like Pascal was put in front of Dawson, and all he could manage to do was get thrown off his game, and people still try to give him credit for that last-minute comeback that he pulled out of his ass. For somebody who REALLY wanted a Hopkins fight, he did poor job convincing us.

If anything, Dawson needs to be thankful that the fight even took place to begin with. Lastly, he needs to be thankful that it ended the way it did, so now the rematch gets more exposure...something that Chad is incapable of producing with his elementary-level dialogue.
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Feb 27 2012, 10:18 AM) *
For the record, he acted as if Dawson didn't existed, because monetarily, he didn't. Hopkins was staring down bigger fights, and Dawson wasn't even on the radar. Of course he would've been a big challenge for him, but for a guy fighting on father time with big name opponents in his division, can you blame him?

Dawson was too busy fighting old men, which didn't help his career at all. He was still green at the time, seriously. Imagine what little that would've done for Bernard's career back then, and compare it to the lousy numbers that their recent fight did. Besides, Hopkins had JUST broken a huge record in the sport, which gave his career another breath of fresh air, but still didn't help the numbers.

So it's safe to say that Bernard still needs big names to get paid, which Dawson still isn't (a big name). Funny how a guy like Pascal was put in front of Dawson, and all he could manage to do was get thrown off his game, and people still try to give him credit for that last-minute comeback that he pulled out of his ass. For somebody who REALLY wanted a Hopkins fight, he did poor job convincing us.

If anything, Dawson needs to be thankful that the fight even took place to begin with. Lastly, he needs to be thankful that it ended the way it did, so now the rematch gets more exposure...something that Chad is incapable of producing with his elementary-level dialogue.


When did we as boxers, and boxing fans start to care about what you said in the bold?
Who cares how he talks and what not or acting to sale a fight.
yea Dawson upsets me when he hurts guys and does nothing, or when he looks lost in his mind...
But the Man has never cheated and always come to fight and win, takes great shots
what is with the disliking of Dawson?

Hopkins is a cheater and known cheater...actually I am tired of writing the same shit over and over lol

we can bet on the fight whoever wants to

Dawson wins and wins big...
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post Feb 28 2012, 09:38 AM
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QUOTE (iKeNjiro @ Feb 28 2012, 05:23 AM) *
When did we as boxers, and boxing fans start to care about what you said in the bold?

Im not saying that we ALL care about a fighter's ability to sell themselves and so forth, but when the sport moved to premium networks and PPV, THAT'S when it became an issue. Seriously, why do you think Dawson has been calling Hopkins out all these years? Hopkins was the top guy in the division, well, close enough anyway.

The same went for Mayweather back in the day when he was calling out Oscar, and Shane did the same. C'mon, these are the pros, these guys dont call these guys out to show that they are "the best". They do it for a payday, and hope to cross over in the public. Some guys can fight the top names and still not be a huge star (i.e. Mosley after the Oscar fights).

Thats why I say that Dawson got this fight by default, because honestly, there's no one else left in the LHW division, that can bring him the type of money that he wants. Im not saying that Bernard is a huge draw, but he's the biggest draw at LHW, and there was nothing left for him in the division.

QUOTE (iKeNjiro @ Feb 28 2012, 05:23 AM) *
what is with the disliking of Dawson?

What is there to like about him? His chest was full of hot air and confidence after the fight, but leading up to the fight, he carried on with this dry dialogue and uncertainty. Had he not tried to beat Hopkins being dirty in the fight, then maybe we wouldn't be discussing this rematch.

He scooped the man up and pushed him off. Sadly, their feet were tangled, and Hopkins took a dive, and the fight ended. So for him to walk around like he did something, or for people to say that those 2 rounds told a story, is ridiculous.

Oh yeah...let's not forget how bold he was in saying that he didn't want a rematch once he was crowned champ after that travesty. Honestly, he was okay with the way it ended and wanted no parts of Bernard. THEN, when the ruling was overturned and Hopkins got his title back, Chad started screaming for a rematch. Funny that this is a guy that everyone chooses to support though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Feb 28 2012, 09:02 PM
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Hopkins doesn't fear Dawson in the least. Pascal is faster, hits harder, is more awkward and is more explosive than Dawson and Hopkins beat him twice (yes, twice). Pascal possessed similar traits to the undefeated Taylor that also gave Hopkins problems.

Dawson doesn't have anything Hopkins hasn't seen before. I picture Dawson struggling and having flat spots against Pascal, Tarver, Johnson etc and honestly I don't see how he can be favored to beat Hopkins.

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post Feb 29 2012, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE (BrutalBodyShots @ Feb 28 2012, 10:02 PM) *
Hopkins doesn't fear Dawson in the least. Pascal is faster, hits harder, is more awkward and is more explosive than Dawson and Hopkins beat him twice (yes, twice). Pascal possessed similar traits to the undefeated Taylor that also gave Hopkins problems.

Dawson doesn't have anything Hopkins hasn't seen before. I picture Dawson struggling and having flat spots against Pascal, Tarver, Johnson etc and honestly I don't see how he can be favored to beat Hopkins.


pascal fights off the front foot and is much easier to hit than chad. pascal is also a one trick pony who does the same shit over and over. dawson is more elusive and more skilled.
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post Feb 29 2012, 06:44 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Feb 29 2012, 02:08 PM) *
pascal fights off the front foot and is much easier to hit than chad. pascal is also a one trick pony who does the same shit over and over. dawson is more elusive and more skilled.


...and Dawson lost more rounds than he won against Pascal, so what does that say? If a "one trick pony" didn't have trouble winning rounds against Dawson, how do you think a guy like Hopkins that is able to adapt and certainly has many more tricks in his bag will do? Pascal, Tarver, Johnson - these guys all landed on Dawson... and Hopkins' accuracy/timing is light years better than those guys.

So, in your opinion why did Pascal do well against Dawson (aside from running close to E at the end) You say Dawson is more elusive, more skilled, is harder to hit and his more versatile than Pascal. Yet he lost. Please explain.

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post Feb 29 2012, 07:50 PM
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QUOTE (BrutalBodyShots @ Feb 29 2012, 07:44 PM) *
...and Dawson lost more rounds than he won against Pascal, so what does that say? If a "one trick pony" didn't have trouble winning rounds against Dawson, how do you think a guy like Hopkins that is able to adapt and certainly has many more tricks in his bag will do? Pascal, Tarver, Johnson - these guys all landed on Dawson... and Hopkins' accuracy/timing is light years better than those guys.

So, in your opinion why did Pascal do well against Dawson (aside from running close to E at the end) You say Dawson is more elusive, more skilled, is harder to hit and his more versatile than Pascal. Yet he lost. Please explain.


it says styles make fights. what matters in my eyes is that he had pascal figured out in the end...and would have ktfo'd him if the dr and the ref didn't save him in his home town.

hopkins knows why dawson isn't the easier opponent. it's why he didn't fight him all that time. it's also why he faked injury to avoid an ass whoopin. when the rematch happens...u'll see what dawson, bhop and myself already know...chad is going to whoop him. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Feb 29 2012, 08:38 PM
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We've already hashed out the you think he faked the injury thing - we're all entitled to our opinions. We'll talk on the 29th of April.

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post Feb 29 2012, 08:40 PM
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Actually better yet, since you say Chad is going to whoop him... why don't you give me a breakdown of the fight as you see it panning out, and then I'll do the same for you and we'll see who is more accurate once the fight is over. Obviously we already know you are taking Dawson and I'm taking Hopkins... but let's be more specific.

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QUOTE (BrutalBodyShots @ Feb 29 2012, 09:40 PM) *
Actually better yet, since you say Chad is going to whoop him... why don't you give me a breakdown of the fight as you see it panning out, and then I'll do the same for you and we'll see who is more accurate once the fight is over. Obviously we already know you are taking Dawson and I'm taking Hopkins... but let's be more specific.


fair enough...

u go first since u came up with the idea.
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Sure, you got it:


Rounds 1-5: Both guys feel each other out. As usual, Hopkins uses the opening rounds to learn about his opponent, is a little tentative to open up, etc. As a result he gets behind 3 rounds to 2. No different than when he faced Pascal or Taylor. The first 5 rounds are all fairly uneventful but closely contested due to less than stellar action. Dawson's slightly higher work rate gives him the nod in the slight majority of these rounds IMO. However, due to the close nature of the rounds and not much happening, I think many will see it 3-2 Hopkins rather than 3-2 Dawson.

Rounds 6-10: Hopkins begins timing and countering Dawson more. Dawson slows down more and has lapses in his game as he does in all of his fights. Periods of 20-30 seconds where he does nothing. Hopkins begins to land the lead right hand. Expect to see a lot of the right hands that Hopkins put Calzaghe down with come the middle rounds. Hopkins starts banging Dawson more in the clinch, rough housing him a bit, and basically frustrating him more. These rounds look like typical "Hopkins rounds" where he starts to snatch his opponents soul. Hopkins wins 4 out of 5 of these rounds.

Scoring thus far going into the 11th and 12th: Hopkins 6-4 in rounds (or 7-3 for those that gave him 3-2 in the first 5) so 96-94 or 97-93.

Rounds 11 & 12: More of the same with Hopkins beating Dawson to the punch. A few flashy combinations from Dawson but nothing really lands cleanly. Both guys are clearly tired. Hopkins clearly takes the 11th. The 12th should also be a Hopkins round, but I think he gets a little reckless in there trying to stop Dawson. In trying to make a statement Dawson is able to get in enough shots to possibly steal the round. Close round though that could be argued either way. I personally think Hopkins takes it though.

My final score card: 116-112 Hopkins

Worst case score 115-113 Hopkins (if you give Dawson 3 of the first 5 AND the 12th). The wide score for Hopkins would be 117-111 (if you gave him 3 of the first 5 and the 12th).

I'm not going to predict any knockdowns or point deductions - just a straight up score with the flow of the fight going as I've illustrated above. Let's hear your breakdown now.





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post Mar 3 2012, 03:26 AM
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Come on man where's your prediction? You've posted today in just about every thread other than this one...
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QUOTE (BrutalBodyShots @ Mar 3 2012, 04:26 AM) *
Come on man where's your prediction? You've posted today in just about every thread other than this one...


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i haven't forgotten. i wanna give this more thought because u've actually made me rethink this a little bit. i will be back with my analysis. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/closedeyes.gif)
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Mar 6 2012, 05:19 PM) *
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i haven't forgotten. i wanna give this more thought because u've actually made me rethink this a little bit. i will be back with my analysis. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/closedeyes.gif)


Gotcha, no problem.
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post Mar 13 2012, 10:33 PM
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Ok, Just realized it's been a week. Let's hear it already!


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2 more weeks and nothing? It's cool man, I'll stop asking now =)

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