[checkleft]

You misunderstood my comment, but it's cool. You're an idiot. I won't bother explaining it. You can have the last word if you want.

Dude from the posts I read sounds like your waisting your breath. This guy doesnt get it though cheesy

[jrosales13]

Dude from the posts I read sounds like your waisting your breath. This guy doesnt get it though cheesy

*sigh* Oscar cherry picked Pacquiao(not the other way around) and it backed fired. Why re-write history? If you guys weren't watching back then, then don't throw your $0.02.

Oscar was going to rematch Floyd Mayweather at 147. Hence why he chose Forbes at 150 as a tune-up. Oscar low balled Floyd and wouldn't give Floyd the split that he deserved and Floyd retired.

Now Oscar didn't have an opponent. Said he would fight the winner of Margarito-Cotto. Banking that Cotto was going to win(Cotto was the favorite). Margarito wins in impressive fashion and looks like a monster.

Oscar goes back on his word of fighting the winner of that match-up since he was only looking at a Cotto showdown.

So then he turns his attention on Pac who at the time only had 1 fight at LW. Earlier that year fought a rematch with JMM at 130. Oscar got flack for choosing to fight Pac at 147. It was considered a joke and a mismatch. All this at 147. If he would have even mentioned the idea of 150+ for Pac he would have gotten crucified. Since he was already getting flack for choosing the much smaller Pac instead of someone like a Margarito.

This was before Pac-Mosley, Pac-Cotto, Pac-Hatton. Pac was barely proven at 135 against journeyman level David Diaz let alone proven at a higher weight. It was Oscar who chose the 147 weight-class not Pacquiao. And, it back fired on Oscar.

Honestly, did no one on this forum watch boxing back then? Or is everyone on here such a Pac hater that they choose to re-write history hoping that no one else notice?

This post has been edited by jrosales13: Feb 24 2012, 12:07 AM

[checkleft]

Didn't even read that. Lol, but I hope it made you feel smart. There's tons of "yous" on YouTube/boxingscene if I felt like arguing with some dude that has pacs junk in his mouth while Arums riding pac from behind.

[jrosales13]

Didn't even read that. Lol, but I hope it made you feel smart. There's tons of "yous" on YouTube/boxingscene if I felt like arguing with some dude that has pacs junk in his mouth while Arums riding pac from behind.

So breaking down how the whole Pac-Oscar thing went down translate into having "Pac junk in his mouth while Arum riding Pac from behind" What kind of weird logic is this?

So please break it down how it transpired.

[Cheesey1]

So breaking down how the whole Pac-Oscar thing went down translate into having "Pac junk in his mouth while Arum riding Pac from behind" What kind of weird logic is this?

So please break it down how it transpired.

Haha, you really are a blithering idiot. I was awake getting yet another bj from your mother and read this. Since you're so in the know and love your boxing press, you probably just forgot about this. I even highlighted the paragraph for you. As far as how the fight came to be, even your version is BS.


Sources: De La Hoya, Pacquiao agree to Dec. 6 fight in Vegas
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By Dan Rafael
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Oscar De La Hoya, boxing's biggest star, will announce Thursday that he will meet pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao on Dec. 6, two sources close to the fight told ESPN.com.

Top Rank's Bob Arum, whose company promotes Pacquiao, would not confirm a deal was in place for what would be the year's biggest fight, but he did tell ESPN.com that De La Hoya would host a media teleconference at 2 p.m. ET on Thursday to announce his opponent.

"We'll know who is he is fighting tomorrow," Arum said Wednesday from Youngstown, Ohio, where he was attending a promotional event for the Kelly Pavlik-Bernard Hopkins fight that he is co-promoting with De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions. "I made a commitment that I wouldn't say anything and that tomorrow there would be an announcement. I'm not allowed to make any comments. Everything will be clear on Thursday."

Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer would not confirm the deal when asked , but sounded positive when asked about it.

"Last week the deal was 90 percent dead, but we were able to revive it. The fact that it has been so quiet is a good sign," Schaefer said from Mexico, where he was traveling on business with De La Hoya. "It's been a lot of back and forth and skillful negotiating and to try to get each side to soften their stance. If the fight was Arum versus Schaefer, it would have been made awhile ago."

Schaefer dismissed reports this week that welterweight titleholder Paul Williams was under serious consideration to meet De La Hoya. Schaefer said that although Williams' name was thrown out during an internal meeting, it was quickly dismissed, and no contact was ever made between the De La Hoya and Williams camps. Williams promoter Dan Goossen confirmed that as well.

De La Hoya (39-5, 30 KOs), who has repeatedly said the December fight would be the last bout of his storied career in which he's won world titles in six weight divisions, has been in talks with Pacquiao (47-3-2, 35 KOs) for weeks. But negotiations got bogged down when the sides could not come to an agreement on how to split the revenue, which is expected to exceed more than $100 million.

De La Hoya stood firm for weeks on a 70-30 split in his favor; Pacquiao was demanding a 40 percent slice of the pie.

The rest of the major issues, from the maximum weight to the size of the gloves, were agreed upon, with Pacquiao getting his way on a 147-pound weight limit and 8-ounce gloves.

The percentage split that De La Hoya and Pacquiao have apparently agreed to is unclear.

Freddie Roach, Pacquiao's trainer and one of De La Hoya's former trainers, has been an outspoken advocate of the fight, going so far as to say he would train Pacquiao for free because he was so confident he would win.

Roach told ESPN.com on Wednesday that Pacquiao, whom he hadn't spoken to much recently, left him two voice mails at about 7 a.m. ET.

"He left me the messages and at the end of one of them, he said, 'Thanks for all your help.' I read that as the fight is done," Roach said.

Pacquiao, a lightweight titleholder who has won belts in five weight classes and is a national icon in the Philippines, would move up to welterweight for the showdown with De La Hoya.

The fight is expected to take place the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, where De La Hoya has fought five of his last six bouts and seven of his last 10.

Dan Rafael is ESPN.com's boxing writer.

This post has been edited by Cheesey1: Feb 24 2012, 03:43 AM

[Cheesey1]

*sigh* Oscar cherry picked Pacquiao(not the other way around) and it backed fired. Why re-write history? If you guys weren't watching back then, then don't throw your $0.02.

Oscar was going to rematch Floyd Mayweather at 147. Hence why he chose Forbes at 150 as a tune-up. Oscar low balled Floyd and wouldn't give Floyd the split that he deserved and Floyd retired.

Now Oscar didn't have an opponent. Said he would fight the winner of Margarito-Cotto. Banking that Cotto was going to win(Cotto was the favorite). Margarito wins in impressive fashion and looks like a monster.

Oscar goes back on his word of fighting the winner of that match-up since he was only looking at a Cotto showdown.

So then he turns his attention on Pac who at the time only had 1 fight at LW. Earlier that year fought a rematch with JMM at 130. Oscar got flack for choosing to fight Pac at 147. It was considered a joke and a mismatch. All this at 147. If he would have even mentioned the idea of 150+ for Pac he would have gotten crucified. Since he was already getting flack for choosing the much smaller Pac instead of someone like a Margarito.

This was before Pac-Mosley, Pac-Cotto, Pac-Hatton. Pac was barely proven at 135 against journeyman level David Diaz let alone proven at a higher weight. It was Oscar who chose the 147 weight-class not Pacquiao. And, it back fired on Oscar.

Honestly, did no one on this forum watch boxing back then? Or is everyone on here such a Pac hater that they choose to re-write history hoping that no one else notice?

Man, you are such a moron. Stop acting like you're in the know.

[Cheesey1]

Dude from the posts I read sounds like your waisting your breath. This guy doesnt get it though cheesy

It's cool. I appreciated it because it forced me to find the article from Dan Rafael that states who wanted the 147 limit. I actually found more stuff that refutes his whole "insider" version as to how the fight came to be.

[Cshel86]

If I remember correctly, Oscar was still the cash cow at that time. Pacquiao had just fought Diaz that July and came into the fight weighing around 145/147 lbs. There's no way in hell DLH/Pacquiao could've been made if it weren't at a decent weight, because 150 would've been a stretch for Manny.

147 was a death leap for Oscar, but Im sure he underestimated Manny. From what I remember, Oscar was only allowed to regain 2 lbs between the weigh in and fight night. So Im guessing that the negotiating power was a see saw battle.

Just my guess though...

[Cheesey1]

If I remember correctly, Oscar was still the cash cow at that time. Pacquiao had just fought Diaz that July and came into the fight weighing around 145/147 lbs. There's no way in hell DLH/Pacquiao could've been made if it weren't at a decent weight, because 150 would've been a stretch for Manny.

147 was a death leap for Oscar, but Im sure he underestimated Manny. From what I remember, Oscar was only allowed to regain 2 lbs between the weigh in and fight night. So Im guessing that the negotiating power was a see saw battle.

Just my guess though...

The Dan Rafael article was interesting. Per him, the Saint and the Bobfather demanded the 147 limit. Of course it's understandable why, but nonetheless they demanded it. Re. the genesis of the bout, supposedly it was the brain child of Larry Merchant and not De La Hoya, whatever. That's how the Saint rolls and from the latest news, apparently the Lord will have to take a back seat to the Bobfather because he isn't retiring. Aaargh!! Please just go away Pacquaio and take your fans with you. Please. I'll even pray to the Bobfather just to make it happen (God forgive me).

[pimpfighterROQ]

Geez this thread is about Rios being dead beat making 135, making the Gamboa fight like the dela hoya vs pac fight. Lol dont turn this to a pactard thread pls. I knew i shouldnt have made the comparison lol.